@AzriBoss
When you have one big thing that is a problem, and you turn it into thousands of tiny things, those tiny things tend to not be problems anymore XD
@Background Pony #AA12
Even then, I don’t think it’s ever a real problem. That even sounds to me like they escalated BECAUSE their criticisms of Genshin Impact were being blown off as “review-bombing” or outright deleted because “oh they’re just trolls”. That infamously happened with Fallout 76, where they were deleting any negative reviews or discussion of the game by claiming it was just coming from trolls, so people retaliated by negatively reviewing everything else they’d ever made. Besides, I wonder how many of those low reviews are just genuine. Google Classroom is also under heavy criticism for being uncustomizable, incompatible with other Google services, and for sluggish performance, and Google is kind of infamous for services that are unliked by the internet at large: it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they saw the opportunity to play the “Twitter harassment” card where like 3 or 4 people actually did it, and they portrayed it as a massive campaign to try and cover up legitimate criticisms in a polish-the-turd kind of way :P
@Badumsquish
Review bombing really becomes a problem when it spills over into unrelated software, such as when Google Classroom got hit for no reason by angry Genshin Impact fans purely because it was too close to it in the store listing.
@Twi Clown
Review-bombing is honestly just a buzzword to try and justify low scores. Whether or not it’s happening just doesn’t matter. If the work is good there is going to be more than enough positive reviews to crush it anyways, especially when that dedicated fanbase rise up to defend their beloved franchise that is unfairly under attack. If the work isn’t good, then the reviews are negative anyways and the review-bombing means nothing: who cares if there’s 10 one-star reviews or 1,000,000 one-star reviews when nobody’s rating it higher anyways? Besides, most review sites used weighted averages anyways since positive and corporate-manipulated review-bombs are a risk as well :P
You know how you know review-bombs aren’t the problem creators want you to think they are? If review-bombing was that easy and effective, creators wouldn’t be complaining about it: they’d be keeping quiet about it and instead using it to boost their critical scores. There’s companies you can hire to pad your views for Youtube and Tiktok and the like; if review-bombing actually did anything there would be companies that you could hire to review-bomb you with positive reviews as well :P
@Badumsquish
I mean, even if there’s a mob behind, it’s actually mostly impossible to “review bomb” as some sort of a perfectly coordinated reviewing attack to actually control the public opinion.
No one wants to be told what to watch so even with review bombing it’s easy to get dismissive when the reviews doesn’t match your enjoyment. The Super Mario Bros. Movie it’s a clear example of review bombing being a lousy tactic because no one would shy away from expressing their real opinions.
The most terrifying conspiracy theory is….that often there’s no conspiracy or that the existent conspiracies more often than not ultimately fail by their own weight rather than any external element precisely because controlling people is something virtually impossible specially on the long run.
@TheQuietMan
There’s a marketing angle to it too. Some creators love to use arguments like “only ists and phobes hated it” and “its low scores are because of review-bombings” because it implies “everyone else liked it”. I feel a lot of it is done to outright bully critics into silence, in order to pad positive reviews. That’s less individual creators though, and more the big slimy companies like Disney that pull that one though; most individual creators tend to be fairly reasonable, and only really get defensive toward unfair criticisms :P
@nightshroud96
Yeah. Poor Spike is basically the Yamcha of Equestria. A genuinely cool and powerful mofo, but just done dirty by the show he’s in XD
@TheQuietMan
I think talking about it is important, because I actually think it’s unfair to the creators of a show to not be open about such things. The show IS their livelihood, and being open about things that viewers just don’t like is important and necessary . At the same time, that doesn’t mean being dicks: if you want to critique a work or defend a work, I think fans have to be polite, be frank, and not attack creators directly, while creators need to be humble, receptive, and not mistake fans wanting things as being criticisms or attacks. Fans may not be obligated to like things and creators may not be obligated to give fans what they want, but fans and creators have a relationship, whether either of us want one or not, and it’s only going to be as pleasant as we let it be :P
Even when creators or fans cross ethical lines, like creators use the “you’re just ists and phobes” argument to try and bully critics and consumers into buying and ing their product, or when fans use death threats and harassment campaigns because they didn’t like the ending of Metal Gear Solid 2, I truly don’t believe in this belligerent counterattack nonsense. It should be called out, firmly but fairly, and that’s it, because these big counterattack things are incredibly unfair to everyone and just cause more problems than they solve :P
@Twi Clown @desert2
MLP always hit runs more often than they swung and missed, but I think the biggest thing was they went through something of a Dork Age in Season 6. It struck me as if they were either out of ideas or under pressure to spice things up. They added a new character who they just shilled the hell out of to the point I think that was the biggest reason so many people dislike her, they added a bunch of “exciting new twists” like turning the changelings good, reforming Ahuizotl, new characters who they just didn’t do anything with, retcons, episode rehashes, a very weak season opener, and a very controversial season finale. Season 7 was an improvement, and it had one of the best episodes the show has ever made (A Perfect Pear) but it also had the worst season opener in the show’s entire run and the worst episode in the show’s entire run (Fame and Misfortune), which I feel cemented the idea that the show had gone downhill :P
So, the problem isn’t that the show got “bad”. The problem is people will only accept incremental negative or neutral changes up to a certain point. Once that point is reached, people will hit a breaking point and even a full return to form won’t be enough since they’ve been distanced from the thing they like. Season 8 and 9 were honestly good, save for a couple of bad episodes and a weak twist in the Season 9 finale, and you could even see where they had made active steps to fix issues Season 6 and 7 created, but the water had been tainted and it just wasn’t enough sad to say :/
@nightshroud96
True enough, but sad to say the show follows Chosen One / Saiyan rules. The only ones allowed to ultimately save the day are the special main characters, come hell or high water all forces in existence will ensure nobody else is allowed to do it even when they, canonically, are more powerful, or more intelligent, or more experienced, or more suited to, than the main character :P
@Twi Clown
i agree with you, the show was great but it was hardly above reproach.
to anyone who dares to claim FiM was flawless i offer a very simple counterpoint
spike at your service.
that is all.
@desert2
Never said they were not good hits. I for one liked Winged Spike, Mean Twilight Sparkle and I did like “The Last Problem”, the slice of life episodes were fairly ok and in line, there are a couple of gems in both characters and episodes.
Though usually those seasons also carried a couple of issues as well. Love and immunity to criticism are not the same thing, love can get unhealthy without criticism in fact.
When you have one big thing that is a problem, and you turn it into thousands of tiny things, those tiny things tend to not be problems anymore XD
Even then, I don’t think it’s ever a real problem. That even sounds to me like they escalated BECAUSE their criticisms of Genshin Impact were being blown off as “review-bombing” or outright deleted because “oh they’re just trolls”. That infamously happened with Fallout 76, where they were deleting any negative reviews or discussion of the game by claiming it was just coming from trolls, so people retaliated by negatively reviewing everything else they’d ever made. Besides, I wonder how many of those low reviews are just genuine. Google Classroom is also under heavy criticism for being uncustomizable, incompatible with other Google services, and for sluggish performance, and Google is kind of infamous for services that are unliked by the internet at large: it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they saw the opportunity to play the “Twitter harassment” card where like 3 or 4 people actually did it, and they portrayed it as a massive campaign to try and cover up legitimate criticisms in a polish-the-turd kind of way :P
Review bombing really becomes a problem when it spills over into unrelated software, such as when Google Classroom got hit for no reason by angry Genshin Impact fans purely because it was too close to it in the store listing.
Yeah :P
Review-bombing is honestly just a buzzword to try and justify low scores. Whether or not it’s happening just doesn’t matter. If the work is good there is going to be more than enough positive reviews to crush it anyways, especially when that dedicated fanbase rise up to defend their beloved franchise that is unfairly under attack. If the work isn’t good, then the reviews are negative anyways and the review-bombing means nothing: who cares if there’s 10 one-star reviews or 1,000,000 one-star reviews when nobody’s rating it higher anyways? Besides, most review sites used weighted averages anyways since positive and corporate-manipulated review-bombs are a risk as well :P
Can’t change the fact that humans are bad by nature. But that one aside.
Except that’s not cunning, that’s Far Cry levels of insanity.
Doesn’t stop them from trying. Survival of the cunning.
I mean, even if there’s a mob behind, it’s actually mostly impossible to “review bomb” as some sort of a perfectly coordinated reviewing attack to actually control the public opinion.
At this point in time, there’s no difference between an unfair and fair criticism according to some creators.
:D
There’s a marketing angle to it too. Some creators love to use arguments like “only ists and phobes hated it” and “its low scores are because of review-bombings” because it implies “everyone else liked it”. I feel a lot of it is done to outright bully critics into silence, in order to pad positive reviews. That’s less individual creators though, and more the big slimy companies like Disney that pull that one though; most individual creators tend to be fairly reasonable, and only really get defensive toward unfair criticisms :P
Also, I guess not many people want to change their flaws no matter how fatal it might be.
Well said.
Yeah. Poor Spike is basically the Yamcha of Equestria. A genuinely cool and powerful mofo, but just done dirty by the show he’s in XD
I think talking about it is important, because I actually think it’s unfair to the creators of a show to not be open about such things. The show IS their livelihood, and being open about things that viewers just don’t like is important and necessary . At the same time, that doesn’t mean being dicks: if you want to critique a work or defend a work, I think fans have to be polite, be frank, and not attack creators directly, while creators need to be humble, receptive, and not mistake fans wanting things as being criticisms or attacks. Fans may not be obligated to like things and creators may not be obligated to give fans what they want, but fans and creators have a relationship, whether either of us want one or not, and it’s only going to be as pleasant as we let it be :P
The damage has been done yeah. My real issue is for some people that really can’t move on from those. It happened. What can we do?
Its worse since Spike barely got to be the hero.
@desert2
MLP always hit runs more often than they swung and missed, but I think the biggest thing was they went through something of a Dork Age in Season 6. It struck me as if they were either out of ideas or under pressure to spice things up. They added a new character who they just shilled the hell out of to the point I think that was the biggest reason so many people dislike her, they added a bunch of “exciting new twists” like turning the changelings good, reforming Ahuizotl, new characters who they just didn’t do anything with, retcons, episode rehashes, a very weak season opener, and a very controversial season finale. Season 7 was an improvement, and it had one of the best episodes the show has ever made (A Perfect Pear) but it also had the worst season opener in the show’s entire run and the worst episode in the show’s entire run (Fame and Misfortune), which I feel cemented the idea that the show had gone downhill :P
True enough, but sad to say the show follows Chosen One / Saiyan rules. The only ones allowed to ultimately save the day are the special main characters, come hell or high water all forces in existence will ensure nobody else is allowed to do it even when they, canonically, are more powerful, or more intelligent, or more experienced, or more suited to, than the main character :P
Yep, they usually handle Spike poorly at times.
i agree with you, the show was great but it was hardly above reproach.
to anyone who dares to claim FiM was flawless i offer a very simple counterpoint
spike at your service.
that is all.
Never said they were not good hits. I for one liked Winged Spike, Mean Twilight Sparkle and I did like “The Last Problem”, the slice of life episodes were fairly ok and in line, there are a couple of gems in both characters and episodes.
Season 7 and 9 wernt bad at all. The series finalie was incredible and the epilogue was perfect
6 had the most misses for sure