@Background Pony #D3AC
I’d like to see Faust’s original ideas for the show to. But the issue is she didn’t plan far ahead enough to have anything more concrete than Twilight succeeding Celestia which the show did implement (Cadance not being an alicorn we don’t if/how it would change ACW). We can’t say they would have been better if never existed in a state to objectively judge them by.
As for your (valid and agree) point about the Princesses being portrayed as actual characters in the comics, that actually goes against Faust’s vision. She wanted them to be kept mysterious and seemingly all-capable. Making them humanized enough to be fallible was an improvement that if nothing else cured the fan vilification of Celestia. And the show did start developing Celestia and stopped sidelining Luna starting S4 showing the Celestia’s angst over bashing Luna. If those were good things than it’s arguments that the changes from Faust’s vision were all bad.
Nightmare Moon destroyed all the information on how Unicorns could raise the sun on their own, that was the original lore that got just ignored later on, it would have been incredibly interesting to see that be properly introduced outside of just random lore and into the actual show as part of Twilight’s journey to reach her potential as a magically gifted unicorn. But that never got explored.
Source for that? That would be an argument for lore being better under Faust if true. But I’ve never heard that despite what a big deal it would be.
As for the Tirek fight Twilight was not “orders of magnitude more powerful” but shown to be evenly matched, and Twi didn’t give up “for plot reasons” but because her friends were hostages, which is also why she initially gave up in the Chrysalis comic fight, and like there got a second wind and friendship epiphany (longer lasting/more character changing than the comic one) powered second wind. Again, only after moving away from Faust’s vision did they start incorporating those good parts. And the comic example was also not made with Faust’s vision in mind and if you’re using it as a example of good writing… And where the fight scenes under Faust’s direction better than the Tirek one?
As for the series regularly resetting itself and the character development, it’s only post Faust that they got character development that meaningfully stuck/changed them, the complaint of the moments they relapsed where because they had developed past that where they just didn’t have that development by the time Faust left. If the show continued for 9 seasons under Faust, what reason is there to think she wouldn’t also soft reset the show regularly to keep it accessible?
If so much of your arguments involve ignorance/misrepresentation of the post Faust seasons, it’s making it hard to agree with even your valid points.
@Background Pony #D3AC
Twi giving up was because while she was more powerful, he was more skilled in combat.
And there is absolutely a TON of character development post season 3.
I’ve seen some discussion of Faust’s alt timeline. And it does look exciting. But I do love where the show went without her too. The setting we have has a different vibe, but different does not mean worse. Just… well, different.
@Incursor
I would have absolutely prefered to see Lauren Fausts direction over ideas getting lost in translation over and over and having no real development for the characters past the 3rd season, and being soft-reset every season onwards.
Nightmare Moon destroyed all the information on how Unicorns could raise the sun on their own, that was the original lore that got just ignored later on, it would have been incredibly interesting to see that be properly introduced outside of just random lore and into the actual show as part of Twilight’s journey to reach her potential as a magically gifted unicorn. But that never got explored.
The chrysalis fight in the comics is a perfect example of the comics giving her actual character development.
The Tirek fight is just… not good, its not well choreographed and twilight just gives up halfway through for plot reasons, even though she was orders of magnitude more powerful than Tirek. The chrysalis fight in the comics has similar stakes but is executed significantly better.
Tirek absolutely could have been used to develop Celestia and Luna more, Luna being completely sidelined because Hasbro doesn’t like her, and Celestia as well to a lesser extent. But they were both just removed from the story because of plot, and the go-to from than on is to remove them from the story and to make them helpless. Unlike the comics, which treat them as actual characters.
The comics actually depict Twilight learning to use her magical gift to protect her friends, instead of just erasing her magical gift like the show does.
What specific examples of Twilight “Twilight learning to use her magical gift to protect her friends” in the comics and “just erasing her magical gift” are you referring to. I don’t recall such given the comics had to stay in line with show and Twilight becoming less magically capable in show.
And more alicorns might have contradicted Faust’s vision, but how would the show played out differently/better if it stuck with it? At the least it would have prohibited the Tirek fight in “Twilight’s Kingdom” which many liked and saw as what made alicorn Twilight worth it. And how would “A Canterlot Wedding” have the action that made it popular despite it’s contention if Cadance was just a regular pony so wouldn’t have the power to save the day at least in the manner she did?
And Faust plan was for Twilight to succeed Celestia, so Twi becoming a princess or equivalent was seemingly her plan. Would unicorn princess Twi be that much better despite the question of how she could do required functions like moving the sun and moon without alicorn powers?
Even if more alicorns are different, it’s hypothetical if the show would be better given how speculative/different it would have been otherwise and Faust had no concrete plans for how the show would play out otherwise.
@Incursor
The comics actually depict Twilight learning to use her magical gift to protect her friends, instead of just erasing her magical gift like the show does.
It wasn’t just twilight becoming an alicorn that replaces Lauren Fausts vision, it was also Cadences introduction that did. The part of Fausts vision that got replaced was the worldbuilding relating to the two alicorns, Celestia and Luna, and their importance in the world. But their importance slowly gets dismantled as the series goes on. First with cadence, than with Twilight becoming an alicorn, than with flanderization and flury heart.
I just wish Hasbro let Faust have creative freedom instead of just forcing Cadence into the show and mes the worldbuilding, and also Twilight never should have become an alicorn, ruined her character and derailed her character arc. Reason the comics are better is because they actually go back and develop her.
@Hollowfox, Always The Worst Person
season 3 “came crashing down” and killed the franchise on the spot… it’s so sad that MLP only lasted for a meager 6 full length seasons, a spinoff series, a TV movie and a theatrical release after the fact 😭
@Hollowfox, Always The Worst Person
ive let this sentence marinate in my head way more than i shouldve but honestly this is one of the most insane things i think ive ever heard in my entire life. Even if the show had been somewhat culturally relevant in the 10s, the idea that it would somehow be bigger than a franchise that has had multiple movies gross well over a billion dollars EACH is a cope if ive ever heard one lol
Honestly? Ima Send some heresy in here
Faust originally titled Applebuck season appleBONK season and it was about mental brain damage
So no
SEASUNWUNNERS? SHE AINT PERFECT!
also McCarthy directed equestria girls so She gave me sunset and well SHE IS PERFECT
Season 1 Very Best 🥰
Season 2 Extreme Best 🥰
Season 3 Good Best 😊
Season 4 Best 😍
Season 5 Is Best 🤩
Season 6 Nice 😏 🥰
Season 7 Worst 😠 🔥
Season 8 Super Very Worst 😠 🔥
Season 9 Extreme Super Very Worst Is Cruel 😠 🔥
@Hollowfox, Always The Worst Person
How can you tell if the refusal to accept change was the fault of fans for being unreasonable as opposed to the creators for the changes being legitimately bad/poorly done such dislike is a justified reaction?
@zokboook
Can I help it when the movie flopped at the box office and without a sequel that redeems it?
The show lost popularity when fans refused to accept change, not to mention MLP had low viewership as seasons went on and on and on despite renewing every season until Hasbro saw the underperformance of the film and they decided to give up on G4 after Season 9 with ZERO redemption.
I would believe you if Lauren Faust didn’t change everything that MLP was in the past with FiM. But she did, then fans outside of the demographic were born, but died at the hands of refusing change and lost pop culture relevance and is unknown to everyone. Even Robert Downey Jr.
@Hollowfox, Always The Worst Person
yeah what Sunshyne said, if you’re insecure about a franchise only appealing to specific niches instead of broad mainstream appeal, then I’m wondering what you ever saw in MLP in the first place lol
@Hollowfox, Always The Worst Person
Uh, nothing. We can enjoy the thing we enjoy without worrying about trying to make it a massive mainstream cultural phenomenon on the same level as the MCU. (God, I would hate for MLP to end up like that.)
I would say we could try not being weird and gross, but normies are always going to latch on to the weirdest, grossest, and most disturbing stuff that comes out of the Brony fandom. Like Cupcakes and The Jar. They don’t care that most of us aren’t weird (ok, we’re all a little weird, but not in a necessarily bad way) or gross.
The castle is an out of place eyesore that dominates Ponyvile, it looks more in keeping with crystal empire architecture. I’d love to see a fan made clip/comic of Mayor Mare ordering it’s demolition :D
@Background Pony #4B16
Her character development was poor, she came off as a snobby bitch in earlier episodes, but I did like her in A Dog and Pony Show; as the series went on she progressed into a loveable drama queen.
@Mr.Myoozik
Agreed, I didn’t hate the later episodes, but when I rewatched the earlier episodes it reminded me why I fell in love with the show originally.
I’d like to see Faust’s original ideas for the show to. But the issue is she didn’t plan far ahead enough to have anything more concrete than Twilight succeeding Celestia which the show did implement (Cadance not being an alicorn we don’t if/how it would change ACW). We can’t say they would have been better if never existed in a state to objectively judge them by.
Twi giving up was because while she was more powerful, he was more skilled in combat.
And there is absolutely a TON of character development post season 3.
I’ve seen some discussion of Faust’s alt timeline. And it does look exciting. But I do love where the show went without her too. The setting we have has a different vibe, but different does not mean worse. Just… well, different.
I would have absolutely prefered to see Lauren Fausts direction over ideas getting lost in translation over and over and having no real development for the characters past the 3rd season, and being soft-reset every season onwards.
The comics actually depict Twilight learning to use her magical gift to protect her friends, instead of just erasing her magical gift like the show does.
Her personality got erased and replaced with another personality thats different than that personality got flanderized
season 3 “came crashing down” and killed the franchise on the spot… it’s so sad that MLP only lasted for a meager 6 full length seasons, a spinoff series, a TV movie and a theatrical release after the fact 😭
Twilight didn’t change that much after becoming an alicorn.
So you’re okay that nobody should know what My Little Pony is? Not even celebrities or public figures?
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ive let this sentence marinate in my head way more than i shouldve but honestly this is one of the most insane things i think ive ever heard in my entire life. Even if the show had been somewhat culturally relevant in the 10s, the idea that it would somehow be bigger than a franchise that has had multiple movies gross well over a billion dollars EACH is a cope if ive ever heard one lol
Faust originally titled Applebuck season appleBONK season and it was about mental brain damage
So no
SEASUNWUNNERS? SHE AINT PERFECT!
also McCarthy directed equestria girls so She gave me sunset and well SHE IS PERFECT
Season 2 Extreme Best 🥰
Season 3 Good Best 😊
Season 4 Best 😍
Season 5 Is Best 🤩
Season 6 Nice 😏 🥰
Season 7 Worst 😠 🔥
Season 8 Super Very Worst 😠 🔥
Season 9 Extreme Super Very Worst Is Cruel 😠 🔥
How can you tell if the refusal to accept change was the fault of fans for being unreasonable as opposed to the creators for the changes being legitimately bad/poorly done such dislike is a justified reaction?
How are S8-9 compared to G5?
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Can I help it when the movie flopped at the box office and without a sequel that redeems it?
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Me when the snobby bitch becomes better friends and more likable with the main cast in a show about cartoon horses and friendship
yeah what Sunshyne said, if you’re insecure about a franchise only appealing to specific niches instead of broad mainstream appeal, then I’m wondering what you ever saw in MLP in the first place lol
Uh, nothing. We can enjoy the thing we enjoy without worrying about trying to make it a massive mainstream cultural phenomenon on the same level as the MCU. (God, I would hate for MLP to end up like that.)
Oh so what can we do to make it seem not a turn-off without taking away what made MLP MLP? Change the name?
Her character development was poor, she came off as a snobby bitch in earlier episodes, but I did like her in A Dog and Pony Show; as the series went on she progressed into a loveable drama queen.
Agreed, I didn’t hate the later episodes, but when I rewatched the earlier episodes it reminded me why I fell in love with the show originally.