I love Andy price work on the comic of mlp:fim when I first saw is draws I thought about the work of Don Rosa on the Scrooge McDuck series.
I thought about that because of the shades that Andy price does are very similar, that and all the small important details, like feathers, body damage or the loony background.
-Cutie mark isn’t correct
-The crow (and part of her horn) is missing because I’ve underestimated the size of the paper.
-Some feathers aren’t correct.
-The diamond necklace too.
-Hair obliviously.
It’s simple to copy not to create.
Please make a constructive comment, I would like some so I can make my work better.
Have a nice day.
PS:If you want to see some similar art “pony berserker” has some beautiful drawings too.
@softland
What compromise? Celestia didn’t do shit in the Reflections arc. All that she did was sit around and mope that she was separated from her loved one.
Not once in the arc does she take in the consequences of her actions, not once in the arc she is worried about the well-being of the lives that she put at risk, not once in this arc she takes responsibility to actually fix the mistakes that she made. Granted, it’s not like she could have done anything, the story was deliberately engineered to rob her of any possible agency, leaving her no option but to simply sit and wait as her boyfriend and subordinates mop up her mess.
>why are you talking about Discord, Sombra, Tirek, or Nightmare Moon ?
Because by the time they fought these guys, Celestia and Luna were considerably more mature and focused. They weren’t dumb teenagers anymore, they were mature adults.
>I’m sorry about that but I think that Celestia is almost a Mary sue she is really near of it
No she’s not, she’s not even close to being a Mary Sue. Her “perfections” are just because she’s very underdeveloped and hasn’t had any real opportunities to showcase flaws. Strange names and odd traits are common traits of Mary Sues, but they do not define them as Mary Sues. Specially since Celestia’s character is revolved entirely around the whole “Princess Alicorn of the Sun” motif.
>A good question is what happened to Starwirl ?
I dunno, I assume that he died.
That COULD have been actually played out very well, if Starswirl’s wackyness was actually played for Drama, and was responsible for most of Celestia’s emotional turmoil at the time, since her once wise and stoic mentor started going senile, but no, nothing.
>if we say that we can’t judge Celestia because we don’t have enough knowledge on her then we can’t judge her action in the reflection issue.
Wrong, we may not have known much about Celestia, but we did know a few things to claim that this arc misunderstood her character.
Celestia in the show has always appeared wise and mature, somebody who never loses her composure regardless of the situation, and who always has a plan even for the most chaotic situation.
The “Oh, but she was younger” excuse doesn’t fly with me, if what she did was truly because she was younger, then they should have connected that with her older self. Instead, the impression that I got was that Celestia changed nothing in hundreds of years, she was still the same immature mare who put the lives of thousands at risk for her own feelings.
And by the way, a good arc can make a character flawed and complexed without bragging about it like issue 20 did.
>You can do that without making Celestia look downright incompetent
Personally I don’t think that it makes her look incompetent she just didn’t know how to manage (this is my theory) she didn’t want to destroy everything but she didn’t want to lose the one she loved so she made a compromise, that in the end would have anyway been disastrous.
The difference between this problem and the one whit Inkwell is that she didn’t have to do any compromise, she had every card in her hooves to solves the problem whit the most pacific, non dictatorial way.
>I did read it, and the Journal ends way, way, WAY before that. It didn’t describe anything about Discord, Sombra, Tirek, or Nightmare Moon.
Question: why are you talking about Discord, Sombra, Tirek, or Nightmare Moon ?
I agree on the fact that the journal ends way before that.
>And the events of Reflections happen after Nightmare Moon has been banished, so it could be anywhere from the previous a thousand years.
If you read the #12 of the #17 issue you can see that Luna isn’t banished yet Celestia says:
“With Luna being so distant lately, I’ve got so much to do…
I doubt I’ll have time to help you whit what you’re proposing”
Same thing in the 18 of well… issue 18 Luna says:
“I understand you couldn’t tell me… before.
We weren’t close during my… dark time before I was banished.
But when I came back, when I returned to your side, you should have told me.”
So the banishment of Luna happens when she’s working whit Starwirl on the mirror.
A good question is what happened to Starwirl ?
And what was he doing when Luna gone bazooks ?
I’m sorry about that but I think that Celestia is almost a Mary sue she is really near of it, even discord says it: ( 25, comic #2 ,friendship forever)
“Oh stop it, Celestia no one likes a know it all!”
(ok he doesn’t says it)
So what’s the definition of a Mary/Gary s/t/ue:
It’s a character who is so perfect as to be annoying.
>The Mary Sue character is almost always beautiful, smart, etc… In short, she is the “perfect” girl.
Celestia has shown that she he’s not flawless, she can’t do anything against Tirek, Discord, Sombra, Chrysalys show that she hasn’t enough brutal power to defeat does kinds of enemies but she can resolve any kind of problem that presents a mental challenge except in issue #17 so that’s make her less of a marry sue in that way.
>Another thing to note is that a Sue will usually have a completely off-the-wall name, like “Viquetoria”.
The more wierd and pretentious the name of the character, the more likely it is that she’s a Sue.
(Celestia)
>Finally, Sues often have wierd, improbable or impossible bloodlines.
(Pure Alicorn (I wonder how it tastes like I should ask findus))
>Celestia is not a Mary Sue, she’s too underdeveloped to be one.
You’re kinda right we judge her Caracter and we don’t know a lot of things on her.
But there is still a problem whit that since the “reflection ark” revolves around her and her past, if we say that we can’t judge Celestia because we don’t have enough knowledge on her then we can’t judge her action in the reflection issue.
Well that’s what I think.
@softland
>maybe I prefer that one because she’s not an all powerful god but that’s a matter of taste.
You can do that without making Celestia look downright incompetent. Look at the Celestia Micro, she had to figure out a way to convince the school to keep Inkwell, she couldn’t just stomp her hoof and declare it done. I mean, she could, but that’s not how she does things.
>if you read “The Journal of the Two Sisters” I think this happens not a lot of time after the end of the journal
I did read it, and the Journal ends way, way, WAY before that. It didn’t describe anything about Discord, Sombra, Tirek, or Nightmare Moon. And the events of Reflections happen after Nightmare Moon has been banished, so it could be anywhere from the previous a thousand years.
>Celestia is a “Marie sue” in the animated series
No she is not. Celestia in the show has barely any involvement with the plot at large, she never really solves the issue of the day (Except maybe once), and she has been shown failing at times, like in ACW. Celestia is not a Mary Sue, she’s too underdeveloped to be one.
And I refuse to accept this story as canon, not only does it contradict previously established characterization on MMDW levels, but it’s also an objectively poor story. Even taking away the emotional charge that I have for this story, it’s still bad if you were to break it down to pure logic.
“>you mean this ?
Yeah, when you extract the only good bit, it does make me look like a fool. Try doing that with literally every single other moment after Issue #17, where his antics grew old really fast.”
Actually I was just asking, It wasn’t mean to make you look like a fool And I’m sorry if it did.
I’ve just read the #8 micro series the one whit Celestia, again, and I’ve completely forgotten how she was (lovely story by the way) so yes they have miss-characterize her character, but I prefer the one showed in the #17 issue, maybe I prefer that one because she’s not an all powerful god but that’s a matter of taste.
I think that what she as done is really because she wasn’t mature enough, if you read “The Journal of the Two Sisters” I think this happens not a lot of time after the end of the journal, you can also see that it happens “Hundreds of years ago…” at the 12 of the #17 issue and Celestia says it herself in the 18 of the #18 issue (hum funny coincidence) and the 12 of the #19 issue.
The problem whit “The Journal of the Two Sisters” is that it removes all the wacky of Starswirl and contradict the #17 issue.
and also <a href="http://archive.heinessen.com/boards/mlp/img/0181/87/1402409478107.png">this</a>
Sombra is indeed a “Gary Stu” but Celestia is a “Marie sue” in the animated series and part of the comics and it’s very well showed in friendship forever #3.
For the evil side of the story well it’s very basic we could resume it like that “it want more land give it to me or suffer” we could resume almost all of the conflict like that:
-changeling invasion
-Evil Sombra comes back
-Muscovy who invades Novgorod
Most conflict is a bout power so what defines a EVIL character ?
For my part it’s how that evil character would have taken power, for example it would have been nice if it wasn’t Celestia who would have come back but her evil twin if you look closely at the end of issue #17 you don’t see her cutie mark until middle of issue #18.
In the end this is all bullshit because the journal, the comics and the show are canon except if it’s said otherwise and there are so much contradiction that in the end I find it more funny than anything.
@softland
>Can you miss-characterize a character ?
Yes you can. You can write Pinkie Pie as a grumpy stick in the mud, Twilight as a dumb bumpkin, Fluttershy as an aggressive attention-seeker with an adrenaline addiction. And you can make Celestia overly-emotional, irresponsible, and immature.
>you mean this ?
Yeah, when you extract the only good bit, it does make me look like a fool. Try doing that with literally every single other moment after Issue #17, where his antics grew old really fast.
>I think when Celestia has done that I mean when she was whit Starswirl it’s because she was young and reckless but what I’ve just said died when the 17 comic was released, can we put that on love ?
Celestia was not young, she was a grown-ass mare with a Kingdom to run. Now you could say that Celestia was emotionally frail from having to banish Luna, but then I’ll say “Well, why didn’t they show that?”. SHOW, DON’T TELL. You have to SHOW us the emotional turmoil, not TELL that it is there.
>can we put that on love ?
No. Normally, I could put that on love, but no. They never explore that aspect of love, they never analyze it, they never address it. Saying “Well, love makes you do crazy things!” seems like one of those overly-contrived headcanons that patch a plothole in Equestria Girls.
I MAY have bought it if the love itself was interesting and compelling, but it isn’t. Celestia acts nearly nothing that she had before this episode (Compare and contrast with the excellent Celestia Micro and the Celestia/Spike Micro, which unlike this arc, really understood Celestia’s character), and Good Sombra is so fucking bland and uninspired that I dubbed him Black Brad, he has no personality whatsoever outside of “hunky”, and he is a textbook definition of a Gary Stu. The relationship itself is just both of them going “I WUV UU I WUV UU 2”, with no conflict or spice. It’s just a bore.
This is a story about boring ponies doing boring things while pretending to be exciting, riddled with plot-holes, character inconsistency, and weak original characters. (Yeah, I didn’t even mention this before, but Evil Celestia and Evil Luna were the weakest villains in all of MLP history. Even weaker than the average perception of Sombra. At least he was halfway menacing by trying to cloud over an entire city. EvilCelestia and EviLuna were just Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon with super-powers.)
@441TheSecond
“(Shit, I totally forgot about the Sombra at the end of Issue 17, what the hell was up with that? Was that supposed to shock us with “Oh noes Sombra is back”? Because Sombra wasn’t impaction on a lot of people, so that attempt is kinda dumb)”
Yes I think that too, I think it would had more impact if they would just have said “hey look there is something there”, the end of issue 17 is called a cliffhanger.
“Honestly, the story’s problem is less plot holes and more mischaracterization and poorly setting up plot points. It wasted too much time with hijinks with Starswirl and the weaksauce romance between Celestia and Good Sombra without building up into anything. The Mane Six as a whole felt rather pointless to the proceedings of the story, they really didn’t do anything outside of carry the elements… which Sombra could do on his own anyway, so what is even the hell. Twilight’s side-plot of the conflict that she feels between what she is and what she expected to be is also rather pointless and wasted.”
Can you miss-characterize a character ?
We are trying to judge a creature who is more than a thousand years old and end the end who wants to live alone forever ?
I think the setting was rushed that’s the problem when you don’t have much liberty in making a comic for children or it’s just the budget.
When I look at the work of Andy Price sometime I wonder if he wanted to drive the writer somewhere else, of the initiale plot.
It’s too bad that they didn’t explore much of the universe maybe it would have not be so badly criticized.
But again there are some thing that we must look when your make a comic or book for children you cannot put strong suggestive thoughts so, maybe that’s why or it’s just the budget.
For example of strong suggestive: why did they put bits for money they could have done anything, equestria could live in another type of system but why put money or a monarchy (well it doesn’t look like a monarchy but they act like that) that’s just my thought it’s maybe another reason out of my paranoid mind.
“It doesn’t help that Celestia is pushed away from the story, and wastes literally every single second of her time talking about her love for Sombra instead of her emotions, and why she did the things that she did. It made her come across as a vapid airhead who only wants her hunky boy and damned be the consequences for anybody else. It also has unfortunate implications of what is supposed to be the female lead being concerned only with the hunky bloke…”
I think when Celestia has done that I mean when she was whit Starswirl it’s because she was young and reckless but what I’ve just said died when the 17 comic was released, can we put that on love ? maybe, love makes people do stupid things
some say that you can’t live without love I think oxygen is more important.
Love is so powerful than you better risk the destruction of your own world.
The messaged of what she did can be understood as bad and good.
“the S%$# Starswirl Says Show”
you mean this ?
“we’ll just pretend this whole mess never happened and move on alright ?
It’s really for the best.
It’s over now.”
“Really, the biggest problem with the four issues is that they wasted too much time fucking around with pointless subplots that never really built to anything, lacking any focus or strong emotional connections with the characters. Maybe if they spent less time saying that Celestia and Sombra are totes in love, the S%$# Starswirl Says Show, or Twilight’s pointless hour, and more in characterizing Good Sombra, the evil Sisters, or hell, Celestia, it wouldn’t have been such an awful arc.”
Indeed the mane 6 didn’t do much they where there just to be here and comment on what’s happening.
@softland
(Shit, I totally forgot about the Sombra at the end of Issue 17, what the hell was up with that? Was that supposed to shock us with “Oh noes Sombra is back”? Because Sombra wasn’t impaction on a lot of people, so that attempt is kinda dumb)
Honestly, the story’s problem is less plot holes and more mischaracterization and poorly setting up plot points. It wasted too much time with hijinks with Starswirl and the weaksauce romance between Celestia and Good Sombra without building up into anything. The Mane Six as a whole felt rather pointless to the proceedings of the story, they really didn’t do anything outside of carry the elements… which Sombra could do on his own anyway, so what is even the hell. Twilight’s side-plot of the conflict that she feels between what she is and what she expected to be is also rather pointless and wasted.
Really, the biggest problem with the four issues is that they wasted too much time fucking around with pointless subplots that never really built to anything, lacking any focus or strong emotional connections with the characters. Maybe if they spent less time saying that Celestia and Sombra are totes in love, the S%$# Starswirl Says Show, or Twilight’s pointless hour, and more in characterizing Good Sombra, the evil Sisters, or hell, Celestia, it wouldn’t have been such an awful arc.
It doesn’t help that Celestia is pushed away from the story, and wastes literally every single second of her time talking about her love for Sombra instead of her emotions, and why she did the things that she did. It made her come across as a vapid airhead who only wants her hunky boy and damned be the consequences for anybody else. It also has unfortunate implications of what is supposed to be the female lead being concerned only with the hunky bloke…
All in all, the story is just poorly paced and poorly built.
@441TheSecond
Why pissed ?
It’s just a comic and your theory made sense.
“What I meant to say is that upon seeing Celestia injured again in Issue #16 (is that the one?)”
It’s the 17.
After reading your comment and after reading again the comic, yes this could be a paradox, but something intrigued me in the 12 page of 19 issue Celestia explains that:
“The more we travelled through the mirror, the more we noticed parallel changes.Little things…
Cooks deciding to make the same dish on the same day, Star Swirl would borrow a book from Sombra and another book here would go missing.
Little things like that.”
So we can conclude if you spend time in that other dimension the more paradox happens and it goes in that way “from smallest to largest” the largest being fusing everything.
So maybe the paradox was not strong enough until Celestia stayed for a week.
(Note: Sombra was unaware of this as you can see in the 23 of the 18 comic)
As for the emotional impact well… here’s my theory:
Sombra didn’t know she was hurted because the one you can see in the mirror at the end of the 17 issues is not Sombra (he does not have wings(look at the page 25)).
So if he don’t know about her injuries it’s because he was not there when Celestia was injured.
When she came back at the statue her evil twin was likely waiting for her, maybe disguised as Sombra.
@Minus
Thank you for the advice, I just didn’t want people to be mislead because:
yes it is my work I did draw this but did not create it, it’s still a creation from the mind of Andy price.
I personally think that there is a big difference between copying an creativity and I didn’t not want people to think that I created this.
@Minus
Welcome to the wonderful paradox of wanting to say things that will piss people off, and not wanting to piss people off. Then you make a half-assed compromise that neither says what you wanted to say nor keeps people from getting pissed.
What I meant to say is that upon seeing Celestia injured again in Issue #16 (is that the one?), I suddenly ed of the “all injury on DarthLestia is reflected upon Regular Celestia” plot point. It made me wonder why Darthlestia herself had no sign of injury on her, further weakening my suspension of disbelief on the story. There is also the fact that it’s never clarified what injured Celestia, or if it even had an emotional impact on Good Sombra. It’s just another flaw to the pile in the story.
Softland, you should tag yourself as the artist if you drew these. Even if it was copied, Andy himself did not draw this. If it was a tracing, then you’d need to tag it as traced as well… and probably still tag yourself as the artist. But right now the tag is kinda misleading.
@441TheSecond
You only come off as a drama starter to me. You come in here and to say you have problems, and then don’t tell us. Clearly waiting for someone to ask. And now called out on that, you begin to use language not at all appropriate for the image and are derailing the comments section.
@Background Pony #1BAF
Yeah yeah yeah, “Filter it”, “Keep quiet”, “Fuck you you piece of fucking shit”, sling whatever remark you want at me, I heard them all.
What compromise? Celestia didn’t do shit in the Reflections arc. All that she did was sit around and mope that she was separated from her loved one.
Not once in the arc does she take in the consequences of her actions, not once in the arc she is worried about the well-being of the lives that she put at risk, not once in this arc she takes responsibility to actually fix the mistakes that she made. Granted, it’s not like she could have done anything, the story was deliberately engineered to rob her of any possible agency, leaving her no option but to simply sit and wait as her boyfriend and subordinates mop up her mess.
>why are you talking about Discord, Sombra, Tirek, or Nightmare Moon ?
Because by the time they fought these guys, Celestia and Luna were considerably more mature and focused. They weren’t dumb teenagers anymore, they were mature adults.
>I’m sorry about that but I think that Celestia is almost a Mary sue she is really near of it
No she’s not, she’s not even close to being a Mary Sue. Her “perfections” are just because she’s very underdeveloped and hasn’t had any real opportunities to showcase flaws. Strange names and odd traits are common traits of Mary Sues, but they do not define them as Mary Sues. Specially since Celestia’s character is revolved entirely around the whole “Princess Alicorn of the Sun” motif.
>A good question is what happened to Starwirl ?
I dunno, I assume that he died.
That COULD have been actually played out very well, if Starswirl’s wackyness was actually played for Drama, and was responsible for most of Celestia’s emotional turmoil at the time, since her once wise and stoic mentor started going senile, but no, nothing.
>if we say that we can’t judge Celestia because we don’t have enough knowledge on her then we can’t judge her action in the reflection issue.
Wrong, we may not have known much about Celestia, but we did know a few things to claim that this arc misunderstood her character.
Celestia in the show has always appeared wise and mature, somebody who never loses her composure regardless of the situation, and who always has a plan even for the most chaotic situation.
The “Oh, but she was younger” excuse doesn’t fly with me, if what she did was truly because she was younger, then they should have connected that with her older self. Instead, the impression that I got was that Celestia changed nothing in hundreds of years, she was still the same immature mare who put the lives of thousands at risk for her own feelings.
And by the way, a good arc can make a character flawed and complexed without bragging about it like issue 20 did.
Personally I don’t think that it makes her look incompetent she just didn’t know how to manage (this is my theory) she didn’t want to destroy everything but she didn’t want to lose the one she loved so she made a compromise, that in the end would have anyway been disastrous.
The difference between this problem and the one whit Inkwell is that she didn’t have to do any compromise, she had every card in her hooves to solves the problem whit the most pacific, non dictatorial way.
>I did read it, and the Journal ends way, way, WAY before that. It didn’t describe anything about Discord, Sombra, Tirek, or Nightmare Moon.
Question: why are you talking about Discord, Sombra, Tirek, or Nightmare Moon ?
I agree on the fact that the journal ends way before that.
>And the events of Reflections happen after Nightmare Moon has been banished, so it could be anywhere from the previous a thousand years.
If you read the #12 of the #17 issue you can see that Luna isn’t banished yet Celestia says:
“With Luna being so distant lately, I’ve got so much to do…
I doubt I’ll have time to help you whit what you’re proposing”
Same thing in the 18 of well… issue 18 Luna says:
“I understand you couldn’t tell me… before.
We weren’t close during my… dark time before I was banished.
But when I came back, when I returned to your side, you should have told me.”
So the banishment of Luna happens when she’s working whit Starwirl on the mirror.
A good question is what happened to Starwirl ?
And what was he doing when Luna gone bazooks ?
I’m sorry about that but I think that Celestia is almost a Mary sue she is really near of it, even discord says it: ( 25, comic #2 ,friendship forever)
“Oh stop it, Celestia no one likes a know it all!”
(ok he doesn’t says it)
So what’s the definition of a Mary/Gary s/t/ue:
It’s a character who is so perfect as to be annoying.
>The Mary Sue character is almost always beautiful, smart, etc… In short, she is the “perfect” girl.
Celestia has shown that she he’s not flawless, she can’t do anything against Tirek, Discord, Sombra, Chrysalys show that she hasn’t enough brutal power to defeat does kinds of enemies but she can resolve any kind of problem that presents a mental challenge except in issue #17 so that’s make her less of a marry sue in that way.
>Another thing to note is that a Sue will usually have a completely off-the-wall name, like “Viquetoria”.
The more wierd and pretentious the name of the character, the more likely it is that she’s a Sue.
(Celestia)
>Finally, Sues often have wierd, improbable or impossible bloodlines.
(Pure Alicorn (I wonder how it tastes like I should ask findus))
>Celestia is not a Mary Sue, she’s too underdeveloped to be one.
You’re kinda right we judge her Caracter and we don’t know a lot of things on her.
But there is still a problem whit that since the “reflection ark” revolves around her and her past, if we say that we can’t judge Celestia because we don’t have enough knowledge on her then we can’t judge her action in the reflection issue.
Well that’s what I think.
>maybe I prefer that one because she’s not an all powerful god but that’s a matter of taste.
You can do that without making Celestia look downright incompetent. Look at the Celestia Micro, she had to figure out a way to convince the school to keep Inkwell, she couldn’t just stomp her hoof and declare it done. I mean, she could, but that’s not how she does things.
>if you read “The Journal of the Two Sisters” I think this happens not a lot of time after the end of the journal
I did read it, and the Journal ends way, way, WAY before that. It didn’t describe anything about Discord, Sombra, Tirek, or Nightmare Moon. And the events of Reflections happen after Nightmare Moon has been banished, so it could be anywhere from the previous a thousand years.
>Celestia is a “Marie sue” in the animated series
No she is not. Celestia in the show has barely any involvement with the plot at large, she never really solves the issue of the day (Except maybe once), and she has been shown failing at times, like in ACW. Celestia is not a Mary Sue, she’s too underdeveloped to be one.
And I refuse to accept this story as canon, not only does it contradict previously established characterization on MMDW levels, but it’s also an objectively poor story. Even taking away the emotional charge that I have for this story, it’s still bad if you were to break it down to pure logic.
Yeah, when you extract the only good bit, it does make me look like a fool. Try doing that with literally every single other moment after Issue #17, where his antics grew old really fast.”
Actually I was just asking, It wasn’t mean to make you look like a fool And I’m sorry if it did.
I’ve just read the #8 micro series the one whit Celestia, again, and I’ve completely forgotten how she was (lovely story by the way) so yes they have miss-characterize her character, but I prefer the one showed in the #17 issue, maybe I prefer that one because she’s not an all powerful god but that’s a matter of taste.
I think that what she as done is really because she wasn’t mature enough, if you read “The Journal of the Two Sisters” I think this happens not a lot of time after the end of the journal, you can also see that it happens “Hundreds of years ago…” at the 12 of the #17 issue and Celestia says it herself in the 18 of the #18 issue (hum funny coincidence) and the 12 of the #19 issue.
The problem whit “The Journal of the Two Sisters” is that it removes all the wacky of Starswirl and contradict the #17 issue.
and also <a href="http://archive.heinessen.com/boards/mlp/img/0181/87/1402409478107.png">this</a>
Sombra is indeed a “Gary Stu” but Celestia is a “Marie sue” in the animated series and part of the comics and it’s very well showed in friendship forever #3.
For the evil side of the story well it’s very basic we could resume it like that “it want more land give it to me or suffer” we could resume almost all of the conflict like that:
-changeling invasion
-Evil Sombra comes back
-Muscovy who invades Novgorod
Most conflict is a bout power so what defines a EVIL character ?
For my part it’s how that evil character would have taken power, for example it would have been nice if it wasn’t Celestia who would have come back but her evil twin if you look closely at the end of issue #17 you don’t see her cutie mark until middle of issue #18.
In the end this is all bullshit because the journal, the comics and the show are canon except if it’s said otherwise and there are so much contradiction that in the end I find it more funny than anything.
>Can you miss-characterize a character ?
Yes you can. You can write Pinkie Pie as a grumpy stick in the mud, Twilight as a dumb bumpkin, Fluttershy as an aggressive attention-seeker with an adrenaline addiction. And you can make Celestia overly-emotional, irresponsible, and immature.
>you mean this ?
Yeah, when you extract the only good bit, it does make me look like a fool. Try doing that with literally every single other moment after Issue #17, where his antics grew old really fast.
>I think when Celestia has done that I mean when she was whit Starswirl it’s because she was young and reckless but what I’ve just said died when the 17 comic was released, can we put that on love ?
Celestia was not young, she was a grown-ass mare with a Kingdom to run. Now you could say that Celestia was emotionally frail from having to banish Luna, but then I’ll say “Well, why didn’t they show that?”. SHOW, DON’T TELL. You have to SHOW us the emotional turmoil, not TELL that it is there.
>can we put that on love ?
No. Normally, I could put that on love, but no. They never explore that aspect of love, they never analyze it, they never address it. Saying “Well, love makes you do crazy things!” seems like one of those overly-contrived headcanons that patch a plothole in Equestria Girls.
I MAY have bought it if the love itself was interesting and compelling, but it isn’t. Celestia acts nearly nothing that she had before this episode (Compare and contrast with the excellent Celestia Micro and the Celestia/Spike Micro, which unlike this arc, really understood Celestia’s character), and Good Sombra is so fucking bland and uninspired that I dubbed him Black Brad, he has no personality whatsoever outside of “hunky”, and he is a textbook definition of a Gary Stu. The relationship itself is just both of them going “I WUV UU I WUV UU 2”, with no conflict or spice. It’s just a bore.
This is a story about boring ponies doing boring things while pretending to be exciting, riddled with plot-holes, character inconsistency, and weak original characters. (Yeah, I didn’t even mention this before, but Evil Celestia and Evil Luna were the weakest villains in all of MLP history. Even weaker than the average perception of Sombra. At least he was halfway menacing by trying to cloud over an entire city. EvilCelestia and EviLuna were just Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon with super-powers.)
“(Shit, I totally forgot about the Sombra at the end of Issue 17, what the hell was up with that? Was that supposed to shock us with “Oh noes Sombra is back”? Because Sombra wasn’t impaction on a lot of people, so that attempt is kinda dumb)”
Yes I think that too, I think it would had more impact if they would just have said “hey look there is something there”, the end of issue 17 is called a cliffhanger.
“Honestly, the story’s problem is less plot holes and more mischaracterization and poorly setting up plot points. It wasted too much time with hijinks with Starswirl and the weaksauce romance between Celestia and Good Sombra without building up into anything. The Mane Six as a whole felt rather pointless to the proceedings of the story, they really didn’t do anything outside of carry the elements… which Sombra could do on his own anyway, so what is even the hell. Twilight’s side-plot of the conflict that she feels between what she is and what she expected to be is also rather pointless and wasted.”
Can you miss-characterize a character ?
We are trying to judge a creature who is more than a thousand years old and end the end who wants to live alone forever ?
I think the setting was rushed that’s the problem when you don’t have much liberty in making a comic for children or it’s just the budget.
When I look at the work of Andy Price sometime I wonder if he wanted to drive the writer somewhere else, of the initiale plot.
It’s too bad that they didn’t explore much of the universe maybe it would have not be so badly criticized.
But again there are some thing that we must look when your make a comic or book for children you cannot put strong suggestive thoughts so, maybe that’s why or it’s just the budget.
For example of strong suggestive: why did they put bits for money they could have done anything, equestria could live in another type of system but why put money or a monarchy (well it doesn’t look like a monarchy but they act like that) that’s just my thought it’s maybe another reason out of my paranoid mind.
“It doesn’t help that Celestia is pushed away from the story, and wastes literally every single second of her time talking about her love for Sombra instead of her emotions, and why she did the things that she did. It made her come across as a vapid airhead who only wants her hunky boy and damned be the consequences for anybody else. It also has unfortunate implications of what is supposed to be the female lead being concerned only with the hunky bloke…”
I think when Celestia has done that I mean when she was whit Starswirl it’s because she was young and reckless but what I’ve just said died when the 17 comic was released, can we put that on love ? maybe, love makes people do stupid things
some say that you can’t live without love I think oxygen is more important.
Love is so powerful than you better risk the destruction of your own world.
The messaged of what she did can be understood as bad and good.
“the S%$# Starswirl Says Show”
you mean this ?
“we’ll just pretend this whole mess never happened and move on alright ?
It’s really for the best.
It’s over now.”
“Really, the biggest problem with the four issues is that they wasted too much time fucking around with pointless subplots that never really built to anything, lacking any focus or strong emotional connections with the characters. Maybe if they spent less time saying that Celestia and Sombra are totes in love, the S%$# Starswirl Says Show, or Twilight’s pointless hour, and more in characterizing Good Sombra, the evil Sisters, or hell, Celestia, it wouldn’t have been such an awful arc.”
Indeed the mane 6 didn’t do much they where there just to be here and comment on what’s happening.
(Shit, I totally forgot about the Sombra at the end of Issue 17, what the hell was up with that? Was that supposed to shock us with “Oh noes Sombra is back”? Because Sombra wasn’t impaction on a lot of people, so that attempt is kinda dumb)
Honestly, the story’s problem is less plot holes and more mischaracterization and poorly setting up plot points. It wasted too much time with hijinks with Starswirl and the weaksauce romance between Celestia and Good Sombra without building up into anything. The Mane Six as a whole felt rather pointless to the proceedings of the story, they really didn’t do anything outside of carry the elements… which Sombra could do on his own anyway, so what is even the hell. Twilight’s side-plot of the conflict that she feels between what she is and what she expected to be is also rather pointless and wasted.
Really, the biggest problem with the four issues is that they wasted too much time fucking around with pointless subplots that never really built to anything, lacking any focus or strong emotional connections with the characters. Maybe if they spent less time saying that Celestia and Sombra are totes in love, the S%$# Starswirl Says Show, or Twilight’s pointless hour, and more in characterizing Good Sombra, the evil Sisters, or hell, Celestia, it wouldn’t have been such an awful arc.
It doesn’t help that Celestia is pushed away from the story, and wastes literally every single second of her time talking about her love for Sombra instead of her emotions, and why she did the things that she did. It made her come across as a vapid airhead who only wants her hunky boy and damned be the consequences for anybody else. It also has unfortunate implications of what is supposed to be the female lead being concerned only with the hunky bloke…
All in all, the story is just poorly paced and poorly built.
Why pissed ?
It’s just a comic and your theory made sense.
“What I meant to say is that upon seeing Celestia injured again in Issue #16 (is that the one?)”
It’s the 17.
After reading your comment and after reading again the comic, yes this could be a paradox, but something intrigued me in the 12 page of 19 issue Celestia explains that:
“The more we travelled through the mirror, the more we noticed parallel changes.Little things…
Cooks deciding to make the same dish on the same day, Star Swirl would borrow a book from Sombra and another book here would go missing.
Little things like that.”
So we can conclude if you spend time in that other dimension the more paradox happens and it goes in that way “from smallest to largest” the largest being fusing everything.
So maybe the paradox was not strong enough until Celestia stayed for a week.
(Note: Sombra was unaware of this as you can see in the 23 of the 18 comic)
As for the emotional impact well… here’s my theory:
Sombra didn’t know she was hurted because the one you can see in the mirror at the end of the 17 issues is not Sombra (he does not have wings(look at the page 25)).
So if he don’t know about her injuries it’s because he was not there when Celestia was injured.
When she came back at the statue her evil twin was likely waiting for her, maybe disguised as Sombra.
What other plot holes did you see ?
Thank you for the advice, I just didn’t want people to be mislead because:
yes it is my work I did draw this but did not create it, it’s still a creation from the mind of Andy price.
I personally think that there is a big difference between copying an creativity and I didn’t not want people to think that I created this.
Welcome to the wonderful paradox of wanting to say things that will piss people off, and not wanting to piss people off. Then you make a half-assed compromise that neither says what you wanted to say nor keeps people from getting pissed.
What I meant to say is that upon seeing Celestia injured again in Issue #16 (is that the one?), I suddenly ed of the “all injury on DarthLestia is reflected upon Regular Celestia” plot point. It made me wonder why Darthlestia herself had no sign of injury on her, further weakening my suspension of disbelief on the story. There is also the fact that it’s never clarified what injured Celestia, or if it even had an emotional impact on Good Sombra. It’s just another flaw to the pile in the story.
You may get pissed at me now.
@441TheSecond
You only come off as a drama starter to me. You come in here and to say you have problems, and then don’t tell us. Clearly waiting for someone to ask. And now called out on that, you begin to use language not at all appropriate for the image and are derailing the comments section.
Yeah yeah yeah, “Filter it”, “Keep quiet”, “Fuck you you piece of fucking shit”, sling whatever remark you want at me, I heard them all.
But you couldn’t help but comment on it in the first place, of course.
I understand.
thanks and have a nice day.
Yes.
I’d rather not talk about it because people get mad when I do.
can you elaborate ? please
are you talking about the comic ?