I’m somewhat amused to see the arguments going on here in the comment section.
I should just post some kind of final word after a long time of consideration:
What I did - editing the work like this - was fairly rude.
Referring to the final frame, mostly. The spine was bothering me but I think it’s the least of the worries of the audience here.
I still think it’s a decent point to make that belt loops do not work that way, that crotches do not work that way, and that shirts and vests ESPECIALLY do not work that way. I think it’s kind of pertinent to point out that the shirt is stretched at the wrong point, that the vest is apparently attached under the chest, and that apparently the shirt’s line of buttons stops at the top, then leads off across the top of the bust, divides into two, and wraps on top of the vest.
It’s also a tad weird to me to draw a child safe cartoon horse as a person specifically to give said horse a set of large knockers. (Applejack especially is the kind of horse that would wear a binder over these to keep them out of the way while she works.)
But, editing it like this was still overstepping a line.
The route I should have taken was not editing the picture in a GIF and instead doing a redline and traditional, separate redraw.
I think good artists take criticism in a gracious manner, and seek to improve no matter what. I would be flattered if someone took the time to edit a picture of mine to show a different perspective. Regardless of whether I agreed or not with the change, it would be my loss if I didn’t take it into consideration.
I would consider it more pretentious if I only accepted criticism from more experienced artists, since they are not the sole judges of my works, or maniaaint’s for that matter.
the heck is with the batman flood. i thought the hundred comments was an actual discussion
@feral
“should” this “should” that. s/he constructively criticized the picture in visual format.
and experience has nothing to do with it.
exhibit a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT4h86Ns1Cs&feature=pl
Yes, but improvement should stem from constructive criticism and pointers from more experienced artists. Redrawing and/or editing the image directly is pretty damn pretentious.
Also, if it weren’t for rules, we’d still be drawing in the Middle Ages.
No, really, the Rennaissance prospered because artists uncovered the rules of proper human form and perspective. Compare Medieval art with Rembrandt, and you’ll see for yourself.
I do mean it when I say these are rules. They teach you this stuff in art school for a reason. They’re not exactly one guy’s opinion.
You don’t have to keep stuff in proportion. Manga and anime thrive on exaggerated proportions, and not in the sexual way. The problems corrected here are with the the frame, not the proportions. Spines just don’t work like that, and it throws off an attentive viewer and prevents it from looking “right.” To be blunt, the bewbs look a lot better in the second frame because they are no longer jutting out so much and are more properly connected to the chest.
Yes, with cartoons and in much of art you do not necessarily follow the “rules” of anatomy or even perspective, since the characters are clearly simplified or espouse an obvious form in lieu of actual anatomic detail. That’s why MLP gets a free without its ponies resembling real-life equines. Here, however, we have a specific representation of the human figure. Even with exaggerations, specific rules of what makes a human body human are adhered to. Would you draw something corresponding to real car with the tires extending away from the car frame? No, likewise a human drawing should not have a spine like this unless the character has back problems or somesuch.
I confess I am not an artist, but I have heard artists say that for this reason you learn the rules so that you can break them well.
Honestly, this would not have drawn nearly as much reaction if the GIF author didn’t mess with the chest area as much in the last frame. I would go as far as to wish he/she didn’t even as a joke because it throws off the actual point here and gives the wrong impression.
I don’t know, i find both the first and second frames good.
I know some of you are talking about body proportions and stuff, but that all only sounds like “You can’t draw this way, it’s not right, because i say so.”
This are drawings. There are no “correct ways” of doing them. Correcting this is like saying “lol altamira paintings are made by total n00b artist, cavemen can’t draw lolololol”.
Criticism is right, but… Doing this… It’s… Douchey, simply.
insult? any artist worth his/her salt values constructive criticism more than praise.
don’t be offended on someone else’s behalf. THAT is what i find offensive and patronizing.
This is where I am forced to dissent from majority opinion and from that of the team. I take no issue with keeping an appealing style and the like, but this does show that the artwork can benefit from serious anatomical tweaking. I like the edit (which was obviously quickly done as a proof-of-concept in MSPaint or an oekaki, come on) much better. It looks more natural and human to me, exaggerated titties be damned.
Good form is important, more so than style. I’d hate for good artists to take the path of Rob Liefeld for the sake making art that “looks cool” by today’s standards.
I find this pretty insulting to the original artist, the proportions, placement and everything were correct obviously just exaggerated off of the realistic human form, because you know, artistic style.
I should just post some kind of final word after a long time of consideration:
What I did - editing the work like this - was fairly rude.
Referring to the final frame, mostly. The spine was bothering me but I think it’s the least of the worries of the audience here.
I still think it’s a decent point to make that belt loops do not work that way, that crotches do not work that way, and that shirts and vests ESPECIALLY do not work that way. I think it’s kind of pertinent to point out that the shirt is stretched at the wrong point, that the vest is apparently attached under the chest, and that apparently the shirt’s line of buttons stops at the top, then leads off across the top of the bust, divides into two, and wraps on top of the vest.
It’s also a tad weird to me to draw a child safe cartoon horse as a person specifically to give said horse a set of large knockers. (Applejack especially is the kind of horse that would wear a binder over these to keep them out of the way while she works.)
But, editing it like this was still overstepping a line.
The route I should have taken was not editing the picture in a GIF and instead doing a redline and traditional, separate redraw.
-NeedsMoarG4
oh god! please tell me that wasn’t really in the comics!
I would consider it more pretentious if I only accepted criticism from more experienced artists, since they are not the sole judges of my works, or maniaaint’s for that matter.
NOW I AM ANGRY! ANGRY BATMAN!
@feral
“should” this “should” that. s/he constructively criticized the picture in visual format.
and experience has nothing to do with it.
exhibit a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT4h86Ns1Cs&feature=pl
but then how will people get better?
artists should know there’s ALWAYS room for improvement
People should be able to draw how they like without someone going in and “fixing” it.
No, really, the Rennaissance prospered because artists uncovered the rules of proper human form and perspective. Compare Medieval art with Rembrandt, and you’ll see for yourself.
I do mean it when I say these are rules. They teach you this stuff in art school for a reason. They’re not exactly one guy’s opinion.
Yes, with cartoons and in much of art you do not necessarily follow the “rules” of anatomy or even perspective, since the characters are clearly simplified or espouse an obvious form in lieu of actual anatomic detail. That’s why MLP gets a free without its ponies resembling real-life equines. Here, however, we have a specific representation of the human figure. Even with exaggerations, specific rules of what makes a human body human are adhered to. Would you draw something corresponding to real car with the tires extending away from the car frame? No, likewise a human drawing should not have a spine like this unless the character has back problems or somesuch.
I confess I am not an artist, but I have heard artists say that for this reason you learn the rules so that you can break them well.
Honestly, this would not have drawn nearly as much reaction if the GIF author didn’t mess with the chest area as much in the last frame. I would go as far as to wish he/she didn’t even as a joke because it throws off the actual point here and gives the wrong impression.
I know some of you are talking about body proportions and stuff, but that all only sounds like “You can’t draw this way, it’s not right, because i say so.”
This are drawings. There are no “correct ways” of doing them. Correcting this is like saying “lol altamira paintings are made by total n00b artist, cavemen can’t draw lolololol”.
Criticism is right, but… Doing this… It’s… Douchey, simply.
at least here they are showing how to fix it, without showing that they cannot draw to save their life o 3o
don’t be offended on someone else’s behalf. THAT is what i find offensive and patronizing.
Good form is important, more so than style. I’d hate for good artists to take the path of Rob Liefeld for the sake making art that “looks cool” by today’s standards.
The hat still needs a fix, though.
Also, Batman thread? this is ….new to me. I feel virginal.
Tia, I’m choking because of you. xD