People thinking Sunset stealing the spotlight from humane 6 when actually..in Rainbow Rocks, side character till the climax, Friendship Games, she and Sci-Twi shares the spotlight, Legend of Everfree, Sci-Twi is the focus.
Forgotten Friendship is actually the first time she was featured prominently throughout the entire runtime.
While Starlight had more featured installments than Sunset and saves in S6 Finale and single-handedly in Mirror Magic, and apparently she’s the only one who’s “smart” enough to realize “banishing” the pony of shadows isn’t the only option.)
What bothers me the most is when Starlight becoming the “fan fav of each season; S6&S7’s EqD poll. We have such strong 6 man characters and sadly I see a lot of fan abandoned their favourites and choose Starlight.
Sunset makes sense because humane 6 is kinda bland (glad the ‘Digital Series’ changed things up and dynamics) and undeveloped versions of mane 6.
But Starlight? It’s like fans just ignored the mane 6 and talked about Starlight all the god damn time.
@Supes
Exactly. I was hoping you’d suggest it. We should avoid talking to each other as much as we can for everyone’s sake, as much as we can.
On top of that, if we encounter each other, we should remind ourselves not to give a half a page long explanation for our counter-understandings as a direct argument to each other. It may seem like the natural thing for us to do, to explain ourselves directly to the other party, but we’ve tried that so many times its basically just repeating ourselves ad infinitum with almost nothing to show for it. This far in, there’s no point.
@CronoM
I think we should form a preemptive agreement to disagree each time we express opposing views in the comments :> It always comes down to it, but it’s not like we won’t keep chipping in with our views again and again when this topic comes up in some comment chain.
@CronoM
Ironic you say my argument is empty while you take that much text to say pretty much nothing yourself. You just wrote a comment full of completely broken logic and repeating your earlier meaningless appeal to popularity which is a fallacy.
Fact is, it’s your argument (that Sunset’s comparative popularity means she is objectively better and can’t possibly be overrated) that is completely meaningless. All I do, in turn, is state this fact, and that is not an empty argument - it’s a refutation of yours.
You keep using the appeal to popularity as if it means anything. It doesn’t.
The very concept of an overrated thing means that it will have lots of fans who don’t think it’s overrated. Heck, overrated things often come with more fans than just generally popular things.
Using the popularity of something to prove it’s not overrated is one of the most pointless and counterproductive things you can try to do, but you are actually trying to do that here, which is remarkable. Popularity can not be used to prove quality, because popularity does not require quality, and as a matter of fact neither does quality guarantee popularity.
Neither of our views is objectively provable or disprovable, since it’s all subjective, but you keep treating yours as if it was a fact just because it’s the more popular opinion. That’s not how any of this works. Between two equally subjective stances, one does not gain any measure of objectivity by virtue of being more widespread.
@CronoM
actually, they happen to love her for the wrong reasons (which, ironically, are the very reasons why some of them hate Glim Glam). subjectively, Sunset is the best thing that has happened to the My Little Pony franchise; in reality, she’s a poorly-developed, trite Twilight Sparkle clone.
@Supes
Again, we all know your opinion on Sunset. Your observation on popularity is something everyone knows about but doesn’t apply to every situation or every character. Your ‘A is only sometimes B so a specific A must be B because I say so’ is meaningless and is aimed at Sunset based only on your subjective opinion and well known dislike and outlier observations for her character.
Just in case you need an index…
A = popular character
While
B = unwarranted popular character
You consider my argument to be stillborn only because you personally want Sunset to be seen as overrated, and since she is a very large fan favorite with few detractors, your arguments thus far don’t resonate with most.
The heavy duty critics, the casual watchers, and those inbetween seem to, in general, be completely content with Sunset’s character for all the right reasons. Neither Sunset or Starlight are written to be ‘adora-bait’ like Derpy or ‘fan persona’ characters like Lyra, bon bon, octavia and vinyl (before the fan episode of course)
You will apply unwarranted popularity to Sunset while most will apply warrented popularity to Sunset. That’s the sum of your entire stance. Your argument is completely empty.
@CronoM
The main point is, mediocrity has never been a barrier to popularity of ANYTHING in the world, so appealing to the number of fans and detractors Sunset has is pretty much a stillborn argument.
Sunset is more popular because she doesn’t do anything particularly outstanding, they just played it safe to the max with her, and considering the nature of the show it was fine for most fans. They just like her because of how nice and good at everything she is. With Starlight they attempted something original and more challenging and of course many people can’t stomach it when they’re used to the way this show does things.
Popularity isn’t even remotely a good indicator of the quality of writing. I know it’s subjective in the end, but to me the idea that Sunset’s “development” is in any way, shape or form better than Starlight’s is just absurd. Sunset just switched her personality from bland baddie to bland goodie and her only “development” has been slowly gaining her self-confidence back and collecting hobbies and talents like notches on a belt. With Starlight we could actually see the reason why she surrendered her revenge and also her gradual change and learning to be a good person, which Sunset just knew out of nowhere. Apart from having her backstory told in an underwhelming fashion, nothing about Starlight’s writing is objectively badly done. I’d love to see all these “examples on how not to do things” that apparently happened with her, because I can’t think of a single one past the backstorytelling, while pretty much the entire character of Sunset up until Forgotten Friendship has been one gigantic example of how not to write INTERESTING characters - only how to write a popular MLP character, which is a completely different thing. I mean, friggin Derpy is about as popular as Sunset. Is anyone gonna try to claim she is fantastically written? No, because these two factors are very independent.
I never said Glimmer haters are the majority of the fandom
I know you didn’t. Neither did I. However if one was to say Sunset fans were the majority of the fandom, considering she’s a fan favorite, that would be moderately accurate enough claim. Accurate enough to make your observation completely pointless.
it’s only an observation I know to be true.
I only asked because I wanted to know if anyone else thinks the same as I do.
And I know water is wet, I know it to be true. As I just pointed out, statistically and logically, its a meaningless observation.
I love comparisons too, but I don’t make one-sided or skewed critiques as these people do. when I compare and contrast, I also try to find what good and bad qualities there are between those two things, regardless of whether I like/dislike them.
“these people”
More narrow minded and insulting generalizations of the people you perceive to be “enemies”, critics of Starlight. If you want to pretend most Starlight haters and critics only give one sided and skewed critiques, and that you and others don’t in comparison, then play pretend all you like. Your whining won’t change reality.
For example, while I dislike Starlight’s character overall, I do find quite a few of her scenes with Trixie to be very well written and entertaining.
….Besides, you already itted outloud that you let your fandom anger distort your own likes and dislikes for characters, so in the ‘practice what you preach’ realm, you already itted to us that the prior statement was nothing but hogwash.
that’s it right there: the skewed comparison. and were the words “successful writing” really necessary? are you implying Glimmer’s development is incorrigibly abysmal in contrast? look, I know Glimmer’s development isn’t top-notch; there are many flaws in the writing of her.
….and that’s coming from you, the person who dislikes critics so much you don’t like Sunset anymore. Consider how much of an understatement that last sentence is to people not in your shoes.
To be frank, it is necessary. I consider successful writing to be creating a character that isn’t divisive; doesn’t need large groups of critics on one end, and defenders on the other extreme. Sunset had that in EG1, but such things were mostly obsolete for her after EG2, and most of the fandom is happy with the Mane 6 with only a piddling of detractors here or there, although Twilight of course has her own developmental issues entangled with Celestia’s, before S6 it was a topic of much discussion until there was a bigger elephant in the room, Starlight.
And yes, I do consider her development abysmal. Her story is a mine field of lessons on writing missteps one should not take. And I don’t mean her morality, but her writing in general. As you said, there are many, many flaws in her story-telling.
but using Sunset to bash on her is not just wrong, but also stupid. don’t critique if you aren’t going to do it fairly.
The only thing ‘wrong’ about it is on the writers….the quality compared to the rest of show, and the obvious comparisons to a prior existing character. Starlight is a character created by the writers, and Sunset is a character created by the writers, and the Mane 6 and others are characters created by the writers. So why is there divisive opinions on Starlight’s continuous lack of quality, instead of overall contentment like the rest of the group? Especially when Sunset, a pre-existing character with many of the same concepts, is objectively less shoddy in development.
What does any of this have to with fairness? They are merely characters written by the writers. While different stories, their concepts have massive comparisons, thus, they are going to be compared whether you like it or not.
It could have just as easily turned out, when discussing Starlight and Sunset, to be Apples vs Oranges, different, but both equally good and both equally fan favorites. But Starlight’s development in the show has not been that kind or well written enough for that. Or she could have been entirely different conceptually compared to Sunset. But that was not the case either, she even got a parallel name. Her development from origin to reformation to delivery has been a comedy of errors, many of which absurdly unnecessary.
should clarify on that. I don’t hate her for of her fans, I hate her for poor development and obnoxious nature. but you’re right—I am biased (to an extent). her worst fans tend to force their interests unto others, especially people who aren’t too fond of her, and that only adds fuel to my fire; they’re only reinforcing my dislike for her. you may have noticed that I’ve gotten defensive around this place, especially in my counterarguments, so there’s that.
If your defensive and self-ittedly biased, I’m not going to get any arguments unhindered by bias from you. You are itting you haven’t sorted out your own feelings on this matter due to your defensiveness and frustration.
if you love Sunset, I’ve no problem with that. but if you’re going to use her to tear anything or anyone down for any reason, don’t expect me to agree on your opinions or observations.
They may be beloved characters, but at the end of the day, that’s all they are…characters. Scripts on a page.
If your not going to listen to people’s observations merely on a defensive principal, instead of on your own preferences unaltered by bias and defensiveness, then no one can trust your observations to be anything but skewed.
Critiquing can come from people not interested in giving thorough opinions, but they can also be extremely thorough. Using other examples in of writing quality, what works and what doesn’t work, is essential to critiquing. If you don’t like critics, then there is not much I can say but ‘tough luck’.
One, this isn’t about two sides. You think it’s a conspiracy that many glimmer ’haters’ are huge fans of Sunset? Last I checked, Sunset Shimmer is a huge fan favorite of mlp in general with very few haters at all and many ers.
I never said Glimmer haters are the majority of the fandom, I only pointed out that most of them also happen to be Sunset fans. and I did not say anything about a conspiracy, nor do I think it’s one; it’s only an observation I know to be true.
Two, you know about the statistics now, but what about your observation its revealed that many of those people are Sunset Shimmer fans? (Your generalization, not mine) Well, thats not conspiracy either, that’s also common sense.
I only asked because I wanted to know if anyone else thinks the same as I do.
People love comparisons when they critique. The concepts of Starlight Glimmer has similar to Sunset Shimmer has an unfortunate massive quantity, even down to their names.
I love comparisons too, but I don’t make one-sided or skewed critiques as these people do. when I compare and contrast, I also try to find what good and bad qualities there are between those two things, regardless of whether I like/dislike them.
Critics who believe Starlight’s character is lackluster or bad are naturally going to use Sunset’s successful writing as a comparison.
that’s it right there: the skewed comparison. and were the words “successful writing” really neccessary? are you implying Glimmer’s development is incorrigibly abysmal in contrast? look, I know Glimmer’s development isn’t top-notch; there are many flaws in the writing of her. but using Sunset to bash on her is not just wrong, but also stupid. don’t critique if you aren’t going to do it fairly.
Three, the show has recieved well deserved criticism before in the past from critics within the fandom and the fandom has never imploded.
but do you know the fandom is not big as it once was? Glim Glam isn’t the reason for the fandom dwindling; fans have been jumping ship since Season 3. and I did not say the fandom already imploded, but its tenuous nature is indicative of a possible schism–a good number of fans have been soured up for a quite while now.
Four, regarding your second paragraph, your line of thinking is outright flawed. If you dislike a character simply because you hate the actions of some of its fans, you’ve gone down a road of bias and hate many do not wish to travel.
I should clarify on that. I don’t hate her for of her fans, I hate her for poor development and obnoxious nature. but you’re right–I am biased (to an extent). her worst fans tend to force their interests unto others, especially people who aren’t too fond of her, and that only adds fuel to my fire; they’re only reinforcing my dislike for her. you may have noticed that I’ve gotten defensive around this place, especially in my counterarguments, so there’s that.
if you love Sunset, I’ve no problem with that. but if you’re going to use her to tear anything or anyone down for any reason, don’t expect me to agree on your opinions or observations.
@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan
Uh, no offense, but those statements and its line of thinking seems fundamentally flawed on four different levels.
One, this isn’t about two sides. You think it’s a conspiracy that many glimmer ‘haters’ are huge fans of Sunset? Last I checked, Sunset Shimmer is a huge fan favorite of mlp in general with very few haters at all and many ers. Trying to find a large group of fans that don’t like her is a heck of a lot harder then the EG1 days, and for good reason. That doesn’t sound like a conspiracy, that sounds like simple popularity and math.
As genervt just pointed out as an example, some love both.
Two, you know about the statistics now, but what about your observation its revealed that many of those people are Sunset Shimmer fans? (Your generalization, not mine) Well, thats not conspiracy either, that’s also common sense.
People love comparisons when they critique. The concepts of Starlight Glimmer has similar to Sunset Shimmer has an unfortunate massive quantity, even down to their names. Critics who believe Starlight’s character is lackluster or bad are naturally going to use Sunset’s successful writing as a comparison.
As much as I would like otherwise, not everything or everyone in mlp has to be well written to most.
…..
Three, the show has recieved well deserved criticism before in the past from critics within the fandom and the fandom has never imploded. Most enjoy the show just as much as they did before minus the parts they find badly written. Some Glimmer fans might see it as an attack, but it’s merely freedom of speech.
Four, regarding your second paragraph, your line of thinking is outright flawed. If you dislike a character simply because you hate the actions of some of its fans, you’ve gone down a road of bias and hate many do not wish to travel.
Enjoy the show as an audiance of one. What you like and don’t like personally cannot be compromised by others or your view of others. Any thought otherwise just leads to a mountain of frustration I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy
I’d actually agree with Crono that Starlight isn’t a fan favourite to the degree that Sun is. I think she is one, but not as big as her. That does make me defensive. It’s really nettling to see her get the level of hate she gets from some people.
I’d also agree with people who say that Sun is more purely “likeable” than Star.
The same could be said for the opposite side as well. Even some Pro-Starlight fans acknowledge how aggressive and nettled the defensive Starlight side of the fandom is.
I should note that normally a good character shouldn’t even HAVE a significant defensive side of the fandom for the character. The absence of one usually means overall contentness with a character, just like Sunset Shimmer’s Defensive side of the fandom disappeared after EG2.
All defensive fans are fans but not all fans are defensive fans. There’s a difference.
We just have to accept we have very different and divisive perspectives regarding Starlight. Even Supes was able to at least see a little bit from my perspective, and we usually have completely opposite perspectives on the show. There IS hope between critiques and critique-haters, but the best thing to do is to not start any more fires. It will attract the worst of each group.
@Background Pony #98FE
@redweasel
KEK. 😁😄
Twily, Glimmy, and Shimmy will soon be replaced by Trixie.
#facts
twilight is so obsolete and sidelined, her replacement has been replaced.
#facts
Exactly. I was hoping you’d suggest it. We should avoid talking to each other as much as we can for everyone’s sake, as much as we can.
On top of that, if we encounter each other, we should remind ourselves not to give a half a page long explanation for our counter-understandings as a direct argument to each other. It may seem like the natural thing for us to do, to explain ourselves directly to the other party, but we’ve tried that so many times its basically just repeating ourselves ad infinitum with almost nothing to show for it. This far in, there’s no point.
I think we should form a preemptive agreement to disagree each time we express opposing views in the comments :> It always comes down to it, but it’s not like we won’t keep chipping in with our views again and again when this topic comes up in some comment chain.
Cool.
umm, okey. 🙃😀
Believe what you want to believe. I’ve already given my peace, knowing you’d object to it. Let’s just agree to disagree.
@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan
Same to you.
Your subjective, outlier realities don’t seem to have any bearing, and we keep on going back and forth on that. So let’s just agree to disagree.
Ironic you say my argument is empty while you take that much text to say pretty much nothing yourself. You just wrote a comment full of completely broken logic and repeating your earlier meaningless appeal to popularity which is a fallacy.
Fact is, it’s your argument (that Sunset’s comparative popularity means she is objectively better and can’t possibly be overrated) that is completely meaningless. All I do, in turn, is state this fact, and that is not an empty argument - it’s a refutation of yours.
You keep using the appeal to popularity as if it means anything. It doesn’t.
The very concept of an overrated thing means that it will have lots of fans who don’t think it’s overrated. Heck, overrated things often come with more fans than just generally popular things.
Using the popularity of something to prove it’s not overrated is one of the most pointless and counterproductive things you can try to do, but you are actually trying to do that here, which is remarkable. Popularity can not be used to prove quality, because popularity does not require quality, and as a matter of fact neither does quality guarantee popularity.
Neither of our views is objectively provable or disprovable, since it’s all subjective, but you keep treating yours as if it was a fact just because it’s the more popular opinion. That’s not how any of this works. Between two equally subjective stances, one does not gain any measure of objectivity by virtue of being more widespread.
actually, they happen to love her for the wrong reasons (which, ironically, are the very reasons why some of them hate Glim Glam). subjectively, Sunset is the best thing that has happened to the My Little Pony franchise; in reality, she’s a poorly-developed, trite Twilight Sparkle clone.
Again, we all know your opinion on Sunset. Your observation on popularity is something everyone knows about but doesn’t apply to every situation or every character. Your ‘A is only sometimes B so a specific A must be B because I say so’ is meaningless and is aimed at Sunset based only on your subjective opinion and well known dislike and outlier observations for her character.
Just in case you need an index…
A = popular character
While
B = unwarranted popular character
You consider my argument to be stillborn only because you personally want Sunset to be seen as overrated, and since she is a very large fan favorite with few detractors, your arguments thus far don’t resonate with most.
The heavy duty critics, the casual watchers, and those inbetween seem to, in general, be completely content with Sunset’s character for all the right reasons. Neither Sunset or Starlight are written to be ‘adora-bait’ like Derpy or ‘fan persona’ characters like Lyra, bon bon, octavia and vinyl (before the fan episode of course)
You will apply unwarranted popularity to Sunset while most will apply warrented popularity to Sunset. That’s the sum of your entire stance. Your argument is completely empty.
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The main point is, mediocrity has never been a barrier to popularity of ANYTHING in the world, so appealing to the number of fans and detractors Sunset has is pretty much a stillborn argument.
Yes we all know about your opinion on Sunset, Supes. I feel the exact opposite you do.
Popularity isn’t even remotely a good indicator of the quality of writing. I know it’s subjective in the end, but to me the idea that Sunset’s “development” is in any way, shape or form better than Starlight’s is just absurd. Sunset just switched her personality from bland baddie to bland goodie and her only “development” has been slowly gaining her self-confidence back and collecting hobbies and talents like notches on a belt. With Starlight we could actually see the reason why she surrendered her revenge and also her gradual change and learning to be a good person, which Sunset just knew out of nowhere. Apart from having her backstory told in an underwhelming fashion, nothing about Starlight’s writing is objectively badly done. I’d love to see all these “examples on how not to do things” that apparently happened with her, because I can’t think of a single one past the backstorytelling, while pretty much the entire character of Sunset up until Forgotten Friendship has been one gigantic example of how not to write INTERESTING characters - only how to write a popular MLP character, which is a completely different thing. I mean, friggin Derpy is about as popular as Sunset. Is anyone gonna try to claim she is fantastically written? No, because these two factors are very independent.
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I know you didn’t. Neither did I. However if one was to say Sunset fans were the majority of the fandom, considering she’s a fan favorite, that would be moderately accurate enough claim. Accurate enough to make your observation completely pointless.
And I know water is wet, I know it to be true. As I just pointed out, statistically and logically, its a meaningless observation.
“these people”
More narrow minded and insulting generalizations of the people you perceive to be “enemies”, critics of Starlight. If you want to pretend most Starlight haters and critics only give one sided and skewed critiques, and that you and others don’t in comparison, then play pretend all you like. Your whining won’t change reality.
For example, while I dislike Starlight’s character overall, I do find quite a few of her scenes with Trixie to be very well written and entertaining.
….Besides, you already itted outloud that you let your fandom anger distort your own likes and dislikes for characters, so in the ‘practice what you preach’ realm, you already itted to us that the prior statement was nothing but hogwash.
….and that’s coming from you, the person who dislikes critics so much you don’t like Sunset anymore. Consider how much of an understatement that last sentence is to people not in your shoes.
To be frank, it is necessary. I consider successful writing to be creating a character that isn’t divisive; doesn’t need large groups of critics on one end, and defenders on the other extreme. Sunset had that in EG1, but such things were mostly obsolete for her after EG2, and most of the fandom is happy with the Mane 6 with only a piddling of detractors here or there, although Twilight of course has her own developmental issues entangled with Celestia’s, before S6 it was a topic of much discussion until there was a bigger elephant in the room, Starlight.
And yes, I do consider her development abysmal. Her story is a mine field of lessons on writing missteps one should not take. And I don’t mean her morality, but her writing in general. As you said, there are many, many flaws in her story-telling.
The only thing ‘wrong’ about it is on the writers….the quality compared to the rest of show, and the obvious comparisons to a prior existing character. Starlight is a character created by the writers, and Sunset is a character created by the writers, and the Mane 6 and others are characters created by the writers. So why is there divisive opinions on Starlight’s continuous lack of quality, instead of overall contentment like the rest of the group? Especially when Sunset, a pre-existing character with many of the same concepts, is objectively less shoddy in development.
What does any of this have to with fairness? They are merely characters written by the writers. While different stories, their concepts have massive comparisons, thus, they are going to be compared whether you like it or not.
It could have just as easily turned out, when discussing Starlight and Sunset, to be Apples vs Oranges, different, but both equally good and both equally fan favorites. But Starlight’s development in the show has not been that kind or well written enough for that. Or she could have been entirely different conceptually compared to Sunset. But that was not the case either, she even got a parallel name. Her development from origin to reformation to delivery has been a comedy of errors, many of which absurdly unnecessary.
If your defensive and self-ittedly biased, I’m not going to get any arguments unhindered by bias from you. You are itting you haven’t sorted out your own feelings on this matter due to your defensiveness and frustration.
They may be beloved characters, but at the end of the day, that’s all they are…characters. Scripts on a page.
If your not going to listen to people’s observations merely on a defensive principal, instead of on your own preferences unaltered by bias and defensiveness, then no one can trust your observations to be anything but skewed.
Critiquing can come from people not interested in giving thorough opinions, but they can also be extremely thorough. Using other examples in of writing quality, what works and what doesn’t work, is essential to critiquing. If you don’t like critics, then there is not much I can say but ‘tough luck’.
if you love Sunset, I’ve no problem with that. but if you’re going to use her to tear anything or anyone down for any reason, don’t expect me to agree on your opinions or observations.
Uh, no offense, but those statements and its line of thinking seems fundamentally flawed on four different levels.
One, this isn’t about two sides. You think it’s a conspiracy that many glimmer ‘haters’ are huge fans of Sunset? Last I checked, Sunset Shimmer is a huge fan favorite of mlp in general with very few haters at all and many ers. Trying to find a large group of fans that don’t like her is a heck of a lot harder then the EG1 days, and for good reason. That doesn’t sound like a conspiracy, that sounds like simple popularity and math.
As genervt just pointed out as an example, some love both.
Two, you know about the statistics now, but what about your observation its revealed that many of those people are Sunset Shimmer fans? (Your generalization, not mine) Well, thats not conspiracy either, that’s also common sense.
People love comparisons when they critique. The concepts of Starlight Glimmer has similar to Sunset Shimmer has an unfortunate massive quantity, even down to their names. Critics who believe Starlight’s character is lackluster or bad are naturally going to use Sunset’s successful writing as a comparison.
As much as I would like otherwise, not everything or everyone in mlp has to be well written to most.
…..
Three, the show has recieved well deserved criticism before in the past from critics within the fandom and the fandom has never imploded. Most enjoy the show just as much as they did before minus the parts they find badly written. Some Glimmer fans might see it as an attack, but it’s merely freedom of speech.
Four, regarding your second paragraph, your line of thinking is outright flawed. If you dislike a character simply because you hate the actions of some of its fans, you’ve gone down a road of bias and hate many do not wish to travel.
Enjoy the show as an audiance of one. What you like and don’t like personally cannot be compromised by others or your view of others. Any thought otherwise just leads to a mountain of frustration I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy
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I love both.
one of these days, those guys are gonna kill the fandom, I just know it. hell, I haven’t gone back to even liking good Sunset beacuse of them.
so starlight is the donald trump of mlp? One mention of the name is enough to stir a war
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And it feels like no one can talk about Starlight without having page long fights about her.
The same could be said for the opposite side as well. Even some Pro-Starlight fans acknowledge how aggressive and nettled the defensive Starlight side of the fandom is.
I should note that normally a good character shouldn’t even HAVE a significant defensive side of the fandom for the character. The absence of one usually means overall contentness with a character, just like Sunset Shimmer’s Defensive side of the fandom disappeared after EG2.
All defensive fans are fans but not all fans are defensive fans. There’s a difference.
We just have to accept we have very different and divisive perspectives regarding Starlight. Even Supes was able to at least see a little bit from my perspective, and we usually have completely opposite perspectives on the show. There IS hope between critiques and critique-haters, but the best thing to do is to not start any more fires. It will attract the worst of each group.
@iexist1
Exactly.
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thank you