I see many people speaking well of communism, as someone who really lived in a communist state, I can tell you that it is complete shit … and no friends it is not because stalin gave it a bad name it is because it is an ideology not only useless if not also cruel … I’m sure none of you have ever lived under a communist / socialist regime and for your own sake I hope you never live in one
@redweasel
True, too much capitalism leads to plutocracy, although it is possible to have restraints that prevent businesses from growing too large cough Amazon cough and people getting excessively rich. That way you could have some of its advantages (free market, private ownership, innovation, etc) without or with less of the disadvantages. Although communism isn’t exactly a perfect system either. With communism you wind up with either collapse or autocratic dictatorship(and even then collapse usually isn’t far behind), which isn’t much different than the plutocracy you get with too much capitalism. The way I think of it is too much capitalism is like a cancer-riddled creature with the tumors growing and larger as they feed off the host until it collapses under its own weight, and too much communism is like a corpse: it can’t grow and slowly decays
capitalism provides “incentive” like communism provides “abundance.” all independent will is crushed as unwanted competition, lives and futures ruined purely because miserable, desperate people work very hard for their masters. the out of control disincentive gets so bad that suicide is good for profits, because it gets rid of the ones who were of no more use to the machine. a capitalist system inherently includes the incentive to destroy itself and institute a dictatorial reign of slavery and terror. and the worst thing is the dictators are also driven desperate by this capitalist nightmare; they don’t even want to oppress people, but feel obligated to do so, because anyone who doesn’t ended up homeless on the streets with their shops boarded up.
capitalism is the reason there are homeless people sheltering in the doorways of unoccupied apartments. so criticize communism all you want, but don’t talk about a lack of “incentive.” people will always want to live, and live well, and the only incentive capitalism adds is the incentive for you to protect the crooks who gain what they want through cheating and cruelty.
or else, y’know I’m wrong, and the only problem with today’s world is the impure leaders, not the capitalist system itself. idk
@Prometheus labs CEO
Even if the leaders were angels or incorruptible machines it would still not work. Humans need incentives to work, and to work hard we need even better incentives.
Why would anyone be a brain surgeon if they could live just as “”“comfortable””” (assuming Utopia that really can’t be) doing something easier?
Imagine you yourself having to choose between a career patch that keeps you away from your wife and kids but you bring in as much money as the neighbor that works a 9 to 5. You surely wouldn’t choose it right? So the government must assign someone to the job but no one in their right minds would accept to put themselves though this much extra stress for nothing in return.
Them what? We still need a brain surgeon so the government uses force to make you comply, but how can you force someone to be a brain surgeon? You could point a gun to someone’s head and make them do it but most would choose to die, so you extent the offer to his immediate family. Either that or you have a country without hard professions and without hard workers.
I think that the argument that “it’s not bad in paper” or that “if only the leaders were pure” is flawed. It’s an absolutely silly idea only a man would pursue. Capitalism for all it’s flaws brought most of the world out of poverty with free trade while socialism for all it’s worth brought nothing but misery to this world.
your current filter.The questions stopped, did they not? That is all you are required to know comrade.
You keep on making question and it’s going to be Gulag state for you.
Which state?
Oi, dat be da roight truth!
@Prometheus labs CEO
☭ I see it’s Gulag time, comrades! ☭
your current filter.@Prometheus labs CEO
(Its gulag time!)
Forgive me great leader, please do not send me to gulag
I-I was just getting the infidels out of the bush! Quick great leader, seize them!
@redweasel
@Dsiak
y’all are getting a wee bit political.
True, too much capitalism leads to plutocracy, although it is possible to have restraints that prevent businesses from growing too large cough Amazon cough and people getting excessively rich. That way you could have some of its advantages (free market, private ownership, innovation, etc) without or with less of the disadvantages. Although communism isn’t exactly a perfect system either. With communism you wind up with either collapse or autocratic dictatorship(and even then collapse usually isn’t far behind), which isn’t much different than the plutocracy you get with too much capitalism. The way I think of it is too much capitalism is like a cancer-riddled creature with the tumors growing and larger as they feed off the host until it collapses under its own weight, and too much communism is like a corpse: it can’t grow and slowly decays
capitalism provides “incentive” like communism provides “abundance.” all independent will is crushed as unwanted competition, lives and futures ruined purely because miserable, desperate people work very hard for their masters. the out of control disincentive gets so bad that suicide is good for profits, because it gets rid of the ones who were of no more use to the machine. a capitalist system inherently includes the incentive to destroy itself and institute a dictatorial reign of slavery and terror. and the worst thing is the dictators are also driven desperate by this capitalist nightmare; they don’t even want to oppress people, but feel obligated to do so, because anyone who doesn’t ended up homeless on the streets with their shops boarded up.
capitalism is the reason there are homeless people sheltering in the doorways of unoccupied apartments. so criticize communism all you want, but don’t talk about a lack of “incentive.” people will always want to live, and live well, and the only incentive capitalism adds is the incentive for you to protect the crooks who gain what they want through cheating and cruelty.
or else, y’know I’m wrong, and the only problem with today’s world is the impure leaders, not the capitalist system itself. idk
Even if the leaders were angels or incorruptible machines it would still not work. Humans need incentives to work, and to work hard we need even better incentives.
Why would anyone be a brain surgeon if they could live just as “”“comfortable””” (assuming Utopia that really can’t be) doing something easier?
Imagine you yourself having to choose between a career patch that keeps you away from your wife and kids but you bring in as much money as the neighbor that works a 9 to 5. You surely wouldn’t choose it right? So the government must assign someone to the job but no one in their right minds would accept to put themselves though this much extra stress for nothing in return.
Them what? We still need a brain surgeon so the government uses force to make you comply, but how can you force someone to be a brain surgeon? You could point a gun to someone’s head and make them do it but most would choose to die, so you extent the offer to his immediate family. Either that or you have a country without hard professions and without hard workers.
I think that the argument that “it’s not bad in paper” or that “if only the leaders were pure” is flawed. It’s an absolutely silly idea only a man would pursue. Capitalism for all it’s flaws brought most of the world out of poverty with free trade while socialism for all it’s worth brought nothing but misery to this world.
That’s exactly why it doesn’t work, because you always wind up with a Stalin or Kim Jong running it
If by “people” you mean “capitalist interventions/blockages/propaganda”, yeah indeed!
What,you can’t control yourself?
Me too,maybe that’s why CC has been history.
——from China
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