@Background Pony #A481
If they’re the same character, then which one is the real Greta? Is the one on the right really the canonical version of her while the one on the left is not canon? That could be the same issue with Grampa Gruff and Gretchen, as well as Star Swirl the Bearded, Moon Dancer, and Aunt Holiday and Auntie Lofty.
Putting Jay “not gonna draw character I’m supposed to drawing according to contract” Fosgitt aside, how the whole situation was allowed to happen? Why artist was not informed what characters were “new” (that he’s supposed to create and send to approval to higher-ups), and what characters were already existing (that he’s supposed to receive character sheets for)? Even if that slipped through cracks, why editor-in-chief, art director, or even writer did not stepped up and stopped this embarrassment from happening after they received drawn pages? I know at least in manga artist and writer have close relationship and work together, and not “writer wrote, sent, and forgot; artist drew, sent, and forgot; editor just sent as-it-is”.
im glad he stopped doing MLP he is a great artist in other comics but in MLP? man he was not into it and i can see it every new MLP comic he did it got worse
@Dustcan
One Deviantart post, accusing him of something that in the past he was proven to have done (use clipart for cutie marks.) Seems pretty minor to me.
@Dustcan
He was working for a paycheck while not caring about producing quality work knowing that Hasbro and IDW would accept it, not caring about fans pointing out (sure, sometimes strongly worded) objectively wrong things with his work, and in fact actually got worse at it over time (look at his early stuff, at least he drew backgrounds, by the end of his run characters were standing around in voids of white/color all the time).
Cyberstalking? He got one Deviantart message, that was the center of it all. Unless you’re talking about like, the conversations people have about him on places like here, which to call that cyberstalking is a bit of a stretch.
What point? That he dared to work for a paycheck? That he wasn’t nerd enough to work on MLP? A combination?
And I would think a post where he express having experienced cyber stalking would elicit some bare minimum of sympathy. Or at least enough apathy for a pause. Something more than accusations of insincerity when a guy says ‘I’m being harassed.’
@Dustcan
You ignored my point: he’s talking here about how this was just a job, he didn’t treat it too preciously, and is either ignorant or intentionally mischaracterizing people buying a licensed product and expecting the characters to look like the characters as something that only upset “a certain faction.” Given those stances of his, why does he need sympathy? Because fans told him that he was bad at his job? He said he doesn’t care and that Hasbro/IDW having low standards was good enough for him, so he doesn’t need that.
@NamelessNP
Sure, but apparently no criticism ever affected him at all. As others have said, here he’s basically bragging about taking advantage of a terrible vetting process on something he didn’t really like to begin with. Not only that, he enjoyed taking something that he knew a lot of people liked and “not being precious with it.” Don’t you see how these things can be upsetting? I’ve said it before, imagine if something that he really enjoyed had someone with his attitude working on it. He’d probably be upset, and rightfully so.
@NamelessNP
You mean the actual, constructive criticism that was ignored or completely rejected for years?
And don‘t try to act like it wasn‘t deserved, if you take one unbiased look his „work“ you know it was fully merited.
@Pause
The reaction to this was the way it was because it’s so odd to hear someone so openly talk about their past work like this. Of course it is years later, he never would have said this while he worked on it.
@rogerSnow
There is a difference between caring about the show.
And there is attaching “drama” to a man drawing cartoon horses in a young children’s cartoon show funny and then whining about it YEARS later.
There is drama in Star War because they decided to create new movies that pushed an agenda at the cost of the actual world and story.
There is drama when an author decides to screw with established canon in ways no one asked for years later.
This is not worth complaining about for so damn long.
If being a fan means being whining over something so ridiculous for so damn long then I’ll gladly not be a fan. And if being an apologist mean not acting ridiculous over some of the most insignificant things so that I can continuing enjoying content then I’ll gladly be an apologist.
He hasn’t drawn cartoon horses funny for 2 years, and yet not only are there still grown men who hate him so much for drawing cartoon horses funny that they are still unironically reee-ing at any mention or reminder of his existence with all the intensity of a stoner frog meme, but like Jimbob down there they can’t stand the fact that there are people who don’t hate him or his funny cartoon horse drawings as much as they do.
@rannius
Because Pause is just doing what people stuck in the apologist mindset do.
As you peel back the layers of their bullshit arguments, you get to the core nugget which betrays their underlying motivation for the apologia. One that every stubborn apologist for everything ever makes of “why does it matter though just stop worrying about it”.
Oh yeah, silly us for giving a shit about this show instead of arguing about some real approved big boy content like Star Wars or lord of the rings. It’s baffling why someone like this would even be in the fandom in the first place, but there’s a shit ton of them just shitting up the place with their lame “it’s just a kids show”-isms, because god forbid we look silly in the eyes of a wider society of fucking dopes.
“Just chill out guys, you’re not allowed to care this hard about this because I’m just here ironically and that’s the only way you’re allowed to be a fan”
If they’re the same character, then which one is the real Greta? Is the one on the right really the canonical version of her while the one on the left is not canon? That could be the same issue with Grampa Gruff and Gretchen, as well as Star Swirl the Bearded, Moon Dancer, and Aunt Holiday and Auntie Lofty.
The writer told us they were meant to be the same character.
One Deviantart post, accusing him of something that in the past he was proven to have done (use clipart for cutie marks.) Seems pretty minor to me.
“If you can’t deny it, downplay it.”
He was working for a paycheck while not caring about producing quality work knowing that Hasbro and IDW would accept it, not caring about fans pointing out (sure, sometimes strongly worded) objectively wrong things with his work, and in fact actually got worse at it over time (look at his early stuff, at least he drew backgrounds, by the end of his run characters were standing around in voids of white/color all the time).
Cyberstalking? He got one Deviantart message, that was the center of it all. Unless you’re talking about like, the conversations people have about him on places like here, which to call that cyberstalking is a bit of a stretch.
What point? That he dared to work for a paycheck? That he wasn’t nerd enough to work on MLP? A combination?
And I would think a post where he express having experienced cyber stalking would elicit some bare minimum of sympathy. Or at least enough apathy for a pause. Something more than accusations of insincerity when a guy says ‘I’m being harassed.’
You ignored my point: he’s talking here about how this was just a job, he didn’t treat it too preciously, and is either ignorant or intentionally mischaracterizing people buying a licensed product and expecting the characters to look like the characters as something that only upset “a certain faction.” Given those stances of his, why does he need sympathy? Because fans told him that he was bad at his job? He said he doesn’t care and that Hasbro/IDW having low standards was good enough for him, so he doesn’t need that.
Such as?
And proof of him seeing and subsequently dismissing those same critique are where?
@Itsthinking
Well you’re right about one thing. Victim blaming is a good way to obfuscate a point and deny sympathy.
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Sure, but apparently no criticism ever affected him at all. As others have said, here he’s basically bragging about taking advantage of a terrible vetting process on something he didn’t really like to begin with. Not only that, he enjoyed taking something that he knew a lot of people liked and “not being precious with it.” Don’t you see how these things can be upsetting? I’ve said it before, imagine if something that he really enjoyed had someone with his attitude working on it. He’d probably be upset, and rightfully so.
Edited
You mean the actual, constructive criticism that was ignored or completely rejected for years?
And don‘t try to act like it wasn‘t deserved, if you take one unbiased look his „work“ you know it was fully merited.
No one is a fan of criticism when it’s saddled with hate filled venom and personal attacks
You don’t say.
In hindsight the post by him seems almost disingenuous. He was a fan of having fans, not getting criticism.
He expressed a similar sentiment roughly around the time of release of his last issue. The reaction was as always the same froth-at-the-mouth-hyperventilation as it’s always been.
The reaction to this was the way it was because it’s so odd to hear someone so openly talk about their past work like this. Of course it is years later, he never would have said this while he worked on it.
There is a difference between caring about the show.
And there is attaching “drama” to a man drawing cartoon horses in a young children’s cartoon show funny and then whining about it YEARS later.
There is drama in Star War because they decided to create new movies that pushed an agenda at the cost of the actual world and story.
There is drama when an author decides to screw with established canon in ways no one asked for years later.
This is not worth complaining about for so damn long.
If being a fan means being whining over something so ridiculous for so damn long then I’ll gladly not be a fan. And if being an apologist mean not acting ridiculous over some of the most insignificant things so that I can continuing enjoying content then I’ll gladly be an apologist.
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2 years.
He hasn’t drawn cartoon horses funny for 2 years, and yet not only are there still grown men who hate him so much for drawing cartoon horses funny that they are still unironically reee-ing at any mention or reminder of his existence with all the intensity of a stoner frog meme, but like Jimbob down there they can’t stand the fact that there are people who don’t hate him or his funny cartoon horse drawings as much as they do.
2 years.
You’d think he did terrible evil things, seeing some of the vitriol that was thrown around back when he still drew for the comics
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Dude.
He just draws cartoon horses funny.