Pound Cake and Pumpkin Cake slowly grew closer during their teenage years. Pumpkin was having a hard time dealing with her magic, her cutiemark, and bullying at school. She had very severe depression at this time, wondering if she was even worth it or not. Plus, she began feeling strange towards her twin, a mix of messy feelings. She felt horrible, disgusted at herself, and ultimately made her feel even worse.
Pound found her diary, and discovered her suicidal thoughts and her strange feelings towards him. He decided to help her, to walk her to class and kicking the asses of bullies. Eventually the others began ridiculing them, asking them if they were “a couple “. While he was disgusted by the insinuation, he began to think about his twin more and more. She was a sweet, kind, caring and loving mare, would it really be that bad if he actually was dating her? He cared for her deeply, a connection he felt towards her was to protect.
Eventually, Pound itted his feelings, shamefully. He was quite surprised when he found out Pumpkin felt the same way. She always felt safer around him, to completely be herself without fear. They dated in secret for a few years before he went into the military. Four years later, he came back as a mature stallion. He doesn’t give any second chances, if you even look at Pumpkin Cake wrong, you’re gonna get two black eyes.
They don’t care anymore and don’t hide their affection towards each other. Either ponies tolerate it, approve, or hate it. It didn’t effect them so long as they kept their distance.
Coffee Cake is mute, a gangly pre-teen who loves making friends and flirting. She has no filter or shame, even if you try bullying her about her parents. She’ll just trot away to waste her time doing something fun. Despite being mute, she’s a talkative filly and constantly needs new chalk.
Angel Cake is a blind colt, slightly younger than his sister Coffee. Angel’s a kind, naive, and soft-spoken colt who tried to stay out of the way. He’s entirely blind, but had learned how to echolocate after getting stuck in a cave for a week. Now he can fly (not very far from the ground) and virtually anything any other pony could do. He loves flying and his pet bat Alucard.
Keylime Pie Cake is the youngest and last of the children, legally deaf but capable of hearing loud noises. (Explosions, fireworks, magic, etc.) She’s a cute little dork of a filly who loves helping in the kitchen, who prefers tarts over sweets. She’s a chewer by the way, keep your shoes away from her. Her godmother is Pinkie Pie!
@Phantom Rider
Stomping, clicking her tongue, or writing what she wants to tell him on his body (usually on his back)
But most of the time Keylime (or their parents/friends) can translate. Keylime is deaf but she can read lips very well and can speak, but she has a serious speech impediment.
The fact that it only took one generation for genetic problems to arise in all 3 of their children makes me wonder if their family has a history of incest
I love the characters. Usually people defend incest ships with the “odds of two-headed babies with six butts are actually less than people think” thing, but to say the kids all have problems but are happy anyway? I don’t think I’ve seen that before!
The “number of chromosomes” doesn’t matter in the sense of any genetic information. It’s just organizing genes into packets. There’s theory that splitting this way prevents the DNA from tangling during cell replication, but it’s not definitively known why we have the numbers we do.
Interesting article about how scientist combined 16 chromosomes into 1 and not much changed. This was with yeast, a fungus not an animal, but it still shows the amount of genetic information isn’t dependent on number of chromosomes. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05857-9
Again, the chance for genetic defects decreases if you have more possible alleles of a gene. (This is called “ploidy”… feel free to google it.) But humans have only two. And horses have only two. And pretty much all mammals have only two. So the odds of genetic defects are essentially the same.
A human baby with a serious defect is sad and tragic. An animal with a serious defect is almost always put down as soon as the condition becomes obvious. That’s why we think it’s a big deal for humans and not for animals.
Humans are animal mammals. We’re not special or unique in of our genetic structure. The number of chromosomes is different, but that doesn’t matter at all. The important thing here is the alleles in the chromosomes, which work the same way in any organism.
The number of chromosomes has no bearing on how susceptible to inbreeding a species is. That’s a myth, and I don’t know where it started. I suspect it had something to do with someone misunderstanding the concept of ploidy, which is the number of sets of chromosomes. This does have a direct effect on inbreeding because it gives more chances for a working copy of a gene to be present.
All mammals are diploid organisms, including horses.Actually there are some weird species of rats that may be tetraploid but horses are diploid for sure.
That means they have two copies of each (non-sex-linked) gene, so the same probability of getting two defective copies of a gene and hence a genetic disorder. It’s seen as less important in animals than in humans because we just kill defective animals so it’s not seen as such a “tragedy” and doesn’t make the news.
@Whatsapokemon
Again, factually wrong.
For example compare number of human chromosomes and horse chromosomes.
That way you will start to understand that understanding genetics require by-species basis.
Oh and BTW not every negative trait is recessive. There are some that are dominant.
Hell, there are some POSITIVE traits that are recessive!
Genetics are wild.
@VermiIIion
Actually thats wrong.
You can breed purebreeds in 2 ways:
~~abusive way, where animal health is ignored and wierd traits are reinforced for bullshit reasons (Example ~~ modern german shepherds are often breed as “show dogs” where malformed hind legs are considered “desireable”. This results in german shepherds with slew of health and structural problems)
-proper way, where there is a set of traits that belong to the breed and small variations are allowed thus allowing for less inbreeding and giving decent genetic variability.
@VermiIIion
Yes, they usually are, but owners who are experts in breeds, purebred dogs must have that condition, that is why they breed among brothers so that the breed remains pure. In horses that doesn’t happen, you can breed between brothers and there are no disabilities in the babies.
@Angexci
It definitely does. You do know purebred dogs are usually inbred right? Significantly lower life spans, usually with debilitating diseases/conditions that make their short lives miserable.
>I don’t understand why most people don’t know that in animals incest does not cause disabilities in the decendants
That’s because that is incorrect. Genetics works the same way in humans as it does in animals. The danger with inbreeding is recessive defective genes manifesting as physical defects.
I don’t understand why most people don’t know that in animals incest does not cause disabilities in the decendants. And if there is a disability, it’s already a condition that the race has. The pure races maintain that condition and for those they make them “pure”, while the crosses lose it; but if they are brothers of crosses, the disabilities are very recessive, the children aren’t born with special conditions for incest, it does not matter how many crosses are made or how many generations .
If both parents share a negative recessive trait, the chance of it manifesting is 25%.
This is much higher than the one-in-a-million chance that most genetic defects have of appearing.
@Whatsapokemon
That’s assuming that the two parents share a damaged recessive trait. In most cases it takes a few generations of inbreeding to cause defects like the ones above.
Stomping, clicking her tongue, or writing what she wants to tell him on his body (usually on his back)
But most of the time Keylime (or their parents/friends) can translate. Keylime is deaf but she can read lips very well and can speak, but she has a serious speech impediment.
Maybe their parents are twins too. “This is what I mean when I say ‘do as I say, not as I do,’ kids.”
Gotta wonder how the blind one and the mute one talk to each other.
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Agree.
Yes to this
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Interesting article about how scientist combined 16 chromosomes into 1 and not much changed. This was with yeast, a fungus not an animal, but it still shows the amount of genetic information isn’t dependent on number of chromosomes.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05857-9
Again, the chance for genetic defects decreases if you have more possible alleles of a gene. (This is called “ploidy”… feel free to google it.) But humans have only two. And horses have only two. And pretty much all mammals have only two. So the odds of genetic defects are essentially the same.
A human baby with a serious defect is sad and tragic. An animal with a serious defect is almost always put down as soon as the condition becomes obvious. That’s why we think it’s a big deal for humans and not for animals.
Humans are animal mammals. We’re not special or unique in of our genetic structure. The number of chromosomes is different, but that doesn’t matter at all. The important thing here is the alleles in the chromosomes, which work the same way in any organism.
Haven’t seen you cite any of these sources my dude.
Omg no, our genetics is not equal to any animal mammal
How are the genetics of any mammal different from humans?
Answer: They are not.
@Armagedonus
The number of chromosomes has no bearing on how susceptible to inbreeding a species is. That’s a myth, and I don’t know where it started. I suspect it had something to do with someone misunderstanding the concept of ploidy, which is the number of sets of chromosomes. This does have a direct effect on inbreeding because it gives more chances for a working copy of a gene to be present.
All mammals are diploid organisms, including horses. Actually there are some weird species of rats that may be tetraploid but horses are diploid for sure.
That means they have two copies of each (non-sex-linked) gene, so the same probability of getting two defective copies of a gene and hence a genetic disorder. It’s seen as less important in animals than in humans because we just kill defective animals so it’s not seen as such a “tragedy” and doesn’t make the news.
If someone has evidence otherwise… cite please.
Again, factually wrong.
For example compare number of human chromosomes and horse chromosomes.
That way you will start to understand that understanding genetics require by-species basis.
Oh and BTW not every negative trait is recessive. There are some that are dominant.
Hell, there are some POSITIVE traits that are recessive!
Genetics are wild.
Actually thats wrong.
You can breed purebreeds in 2 ways:
~~abusive way, where animal health is ignored and wierd traits are reinforced for bullshit reasons (Example ~~ modern german shepherds are often breed as “show dogs” where malformed hind legs are considered “desireable”. This results in german shepherds with slew of health and structural problems)
-proper way, where there is a set of traits that belong to the breed and small variations are allowed thus allowing for less inbreeding and giving decent genetic variability.
Yes, they usually are, but owners who are experts in breeds, purebred dogs must have that condition, that is why they breed among brothers so that the breed remains pure. In horses that doesn’t happen, you can breed between brothers and there are no disabilities in the babies.
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You two are so wroong. Animal genetics does not work the same as human genetics.
It definitely does. You do know purebred dogs are usually inbred right? Significantly lower life spans, usually with debilitating diseases/conditions that make their short lives miserable.
>I don’t understand why most people don’t know that in animals incest does not cause disabilities in the decendants
That’s because that is incorrect. Genetics works the same way in humans as it does in animals. The danger with inbreeding is recessive defective genes manifesting as physical defects.
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If both parents share a negative recessive trait, the chance of it manifesting is 25%.
This is much higher than the one-in-a-million chance that most genetic defects have of appearing.
That’s assuming that the two parents share a damaged recessive trait. In most cases it takes a few generations of inbreeding to cause defects like the ones above.