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This art is cool, too bad the comments have nothing to do with it lmao
This is pretty cool
TheCEOofSCS
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@Incursor
I know, right? It’s a shame humans and human-like creatures weren’t in the show to learn about friendship alongside every other creature, though… And I that’s evidently Equestria Girls’ fault.
The reason why I said “but they do” is because anthropomorphism is the attribution of human traits, emotions, or intentions into non-human entities, which results of them becoming equivalent to humans. I didn’t explain why or adress arguments against it before, because I thought you’d figure that out yourself. And, as I said, humans are also animals — they’re scientifically classified as mammals in the animal kingdom, just like the ponies are. Every creature are animals, but so are humans and human-like creatures.
I understand that you prefer to create new species with magical abilities and everything instead of giving humans them, but it wouldn’t matter. After all, you told me that “there is no need to have human/humanoid in appearance races.” The appearances is the fundamental reason why, and I’m not bothered over that.
So, we can conclude that there’s nothing wrong with humans and human-like creatures in My Little Pony or other franchises.
@TheCEOofSCS
Fully agree “humans and human-like creatures should also get to learn about friendship alongside every other creature.” But that’s aside the matter I’m debating.
I’ve asked how adding humans/humanoids (outside of seperate worlds like EG) would improve the setting enough to be worth loosing the unique identity, and you say “but they do” without explaining why or addressing arguments against. If it’s just your opinion, I’ll accept that and stop this circular debate.
@TheCEOofSCS
What I meant was that personally/characterization wise the fantasy races are human/humanized enough that there is no need to have human/humanoid in appearance races. I might not hurt the work (big might given how many reject EG even after it’s continuity made it’s way into the show), but it would need an explanation as to how and why we’ve seen no sign of them sooner, and an idea for what they can contribute better than a more fantasy race.
TheCEOofSCS
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Storm Cloud Studios
@Incursor
By the way, it also seems that the fundamental reason why you asked me about creating new races with magical abilities instead giving humans them is merely because of the appearances…
TheCEOofSCS
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Storm Cloud Studios
@Incursor
Humans may not provide appeal/unique identity to the setting to you, but they do. And so do human-like species. Either way, I don’t see how humans are the only ones who provide less appeal/unique identity to the setting. No offense, but it’s seems that the fundamental reason why you think humans provide less appeal/unique identity to the setting is merely because of their appearances…
As I said, humans and human-like creatures should also get to learn about friendship alongside every other creature.
@TheCEOofSCS
Non-human species add more appeal/unique identity to the setting than humans, which would make it closer to a generic fantasy setting. Thus even sapient cows contribute more than humans. As for giving humans magical/fantastical abilities, you get more os said appeal/uniqueness by creating fantastical races with those abilities instead, and diminished the contemporariness that made the G1 and EG humans appeal.
Yes, having humans in the setting can be done. But you have failed to explain why it would be better off doing so despite the arguments raised against.
TheCEOofSCS
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Storm Cloud Studios
@Incursor
I don’t know if it sounded like I was saying that humans contribute better than other non-human species, but it’s fair that both of them can do so equally. Either way, when you asked me about “what unique thing would humans contribute to the setting that a fantasy race couldn’t,” it makes me wonder: “What unique thing would cows contribute to the setting that a fantasy race couldn’t?” I mean, you said so yourself: “The cow is because they’re shown sapient here.” And this indicates that humans can exist, as well, because they’re also sapient. Human-like creatures whose magical abilities would give advantage to quash completion, as well, in that case. And yet they didn’t even exist… So, to be honest, I don’t see “G4 not having them and be far better received in it’s worldbuilding seems like proof against such being beneficial here” as true.
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Because the niche for sapience is filled, by creatures whose magical abilities would give advantage to quash completion. For humans to coevolve they would need someone to give them an advantage or niche over the fantasy races which goes back to the question I keep asking, what would humans contribute to the story/setting better than a non-human race? (If evolve in separate locations that’s what EG did. Would more crossover be what you want?)
I concede your point that G1 had plenty of humanoid entities. But G4 not having them and be far better received in it’s worldbuilding seems like proof against such being beneficial here.
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TheCEOofSCS
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@Incursor
Why wouldn’t it make sense for humans to exist in a setting where quadrupeds and other creatures have already taken the niche for sapients? Why not have humans as one of them? And, after all, anthropomorphism is the attribution of human traits, emotions, or intentions into non-human entities, which results of them becoming equivalent to humans.
Both fantasy creatures and non-fantasy creatures can wield magical abilities. And the only thing that distinguishes between fantasy creatures and non-fantasy creatures are the appearances. Believe me, I’ve never been bothered over that.
There were already humans in the same world as the ponies in G1. And, no, I didn’t mean more crossing over with the Equestria Girls universe, I meant that humans and human-like could’ve been one of the inhabitants beyond Equestria and learn about friendship, just like every other creature.
@TheCEOofSCS
What unique thing would humans contribute to the setting that a fantasy race couldn’t? If giving them magic or other unique abilities, why not create new races with them instead? Since “humans are animals themselves — they’re scientifically classified as mammals in the animal kingdom” suggests you want to be scientific about it, it makes no sense for humans to exist in a setting where quadrupeds and other have already taken the niche for sapients.
EG and G1 worked around this by having the humans be from another world, where their contemporaryness contributed something more fantastic races couldn’t. When you say you’d want humans in FIM, do you mean more crossing over with the EG universe?
TheCEOofSCS
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@Incursor
Well, since human-like creatures are also fantasy creatures, they’d undoubtedly contribute something unique to the setting, as well. But they weren’t in the actual show, and their human parts were removed and replaced with non-human parts. And, the way I see it, if other non-fantasy creatures can exist, so can humans. Of course, Equestria Girls is obviously the reason why they and human-like creatures were absent in the actual show.
The way I see it, both fantastical races and non-fantastical races can exist. Just because one race isn’t fantastical, it doesn’t mean they’re useless or anything. Humans can even wield magical abilities, just like Doctor Strange can, for example. And, yeah, Equestria Girls is obvoiusly the reason why humans and human-like creatures weren’t in the actual show…
To be honest, I think those who want humans and human-like creatures in My Little Pony are the ones who should get what they want.
@TPC132
My argument is that “MLP should’ve had humans in it,” yeah. And I know it seems like the audience tend to view the humans as a category apart from other animals and relate to them differently. But humans are animals themselves — they’re scientifically classified as mammals in the animal kingdom, just like the ponies are.
Yeah, that’s what they should’ve done… As the ponies take on the role of humans by being the primary characters, it’s the audience’s choice whoever they want to relate to. And if the humans become the primary point for audiences to self insert into, it has no effect on the show itself. I mean, the humans haven’t done anything wrong — they’re their own individual people and everything, just like the ponies are. Also, it seems like the audience relate to Spike, too, and this would also shift My Little Pony’s narratives to making dragons be the primary point for the audience to self-insert into, in that case.
That’s exactly what I’d like, too, and I’m glad to hear you agree with me on that. Although, I don’t think the show would shift into something very different. Also, Equestria is not the whole world, it’s a part of the world. Humans and human-like could’ve been one of the inhabitants beyond Equestria and learn about friendship, just like every other creature.
Speaking of friendship, since Danny’s the original Brony, he’s the one who created the magic of friendship. He’s the dominant character of My Little Pony, and the ponies had a lot in common with him since G1, seeing him as their leader. It’s be sweet to see them together in the other incarnations of the franchise, as well.
I have countless concepts for Danny… And one of them is to make him a music artist/singer, like Countess Coloratura, Sapphire Shores, and Songbird Serenade. Him being a music artist/singer - having all the mares dancing/singing alongside him - fits him and makes sense. After all, he’s the original Brony, the one who gets all the mares.
@TheCEOofSCS
Human could exist there if the writers wanted, but what narrative benefit would there be to having them as opposed to any more fantastical races, who contribute something unique to the setting?
It worked for Equestria Girls because they wanted a more contemporary setting than Equestria, and it worked with Megan in G1 because it wasn’t focused on worldbulding. FIM is a different work with different fits.
@TheCEOofSCS
Assuming that your argument is “MLP should’ve had humans in it” and not “this specific piece of art should’ve had humans in it”, then the best answer as to why it didn’t is that MLP is a show designed for humans. Human audiences tend to view humans as a category apart from other animals, and relate to them differently.
They could certainly have made the show with humans as one of Equestria’s many races, but it likely would’ve shifted audience expecations around what type of show it is. As it stands right now, ponies basically take on the role of humans by being the primary characters to which audiences relate to. If humans had been part of the pitch, one could easily imagine company executives in particular wanting to shift MLP’s narratives to making humans be the primary point for audiences to self insert into, fulfilling younger audiences’ fantasies of owning ponies and brushing their manes or whatever.
While I agree with you that it could be cool to have humans in some way as part of Equestria’s world, it realistically would’ve totally shifted the show into something very different.
TheCEOofSCS
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Storm Cloud Studios
This is about the fantastic races of the world. The cow is because they’re shown sapient here, the gecko is a “fire lizard”. Humans have two reasons not be here (not fantasy, different world) regardless of opinions on them.
I don’t have anything against others’ opinions, but if humans don’t exist because they aren’t fantasy creatures and it’s a “different world,” then why were there other non-fantasy creatures that exist in it, such as the Mane Six’s pets? Human-like creatures can exist in this “different world,” as well, and they’re also fantasy creatures. Another good reason why humans and human-like creatures should’ve existed in this “different world” is that they get to learn about friendship alongside every other creature. Most importantly, humans are also animals — they’re scientifically classified as mammals in the animal kingdom, just like the ponies are.
I don’t recognize the two fish creatures in the top middle of the water? Where are they from?
@Heartless Dragon
@TheCEOofSCS
This is about the fantastic races of the world. The cow is because they’re shown sapient here, the gecko is a “fire lizard”. Humans have two reasons not be here (not fantasy, different world) regardless of opinions on them.
@TheCEOofSCS
I guess that is my inner misanthropy speaking about how most things in shows are ruined by humans.
TheCEOofSCS
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Storm Cloud Studios
@Heartless Dragon
Well, it’s up to you if you want the humans to be ”another annoying cash grab for princess-like figures” or not. And every other creature would be that way, too, in that case. As always, humans and human-like should’ve been in the actual show to learn about friendship alongside every other creature and everything.
To be honest, people who want humans and human-like fantasy creatures in the show are the ones who should get what they want. I don’t have anything againts others’ opinions, though, but I don’t see how humans in the show would be a ”big mistake” by being ”another annoying cash grab for princess-like figures” or anything alike.
@TheCEOofSCS
Nah, humans in the show has been always a big mistake in my opinion. Just another annoying cash grab for princess-like figures
TheCEOofSCS
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Storm Cloud Studios
@Heartless Dragon
At first, you mentioned that “humans shouldn’t be part of this since they are not Equestrian creatures,” that’s why I said Spike’s not an “Equestrian creature” himself. He’s not from there. Equestria is a land of ponies, and he’s a dragon. I’m saying that humans and human-like fantasy creatures should’ve been naturally parts of the planet’s inhabitants, too, just like everything else. And, yeah, Equestria Girls is obviously the very reason why there were no humans and human-like fantasy creatures in the actual show, which is truly disappointing.
@TheCEOofSCS
Wait… your adding Spike into this… when Ember is in this picture. A dragon. I think the picture illustrates all creatures encountered in Equestria. If the visual here is anything to go by, it means ALL CREATURES seen in the show. Humans are not in Equestria or the planet in general, they are not naturally part of the planet’s inhabitants, but everything else is. And to be honest, I dont think that outside of the Equestria Girls movies and shorts, HUMANS are never mentioned once after.
TheCEOofSCS
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Storm Cloud Studios
@Heartless Dragon
By the way, Equestria is not the whole world, it’s a land that’s a part of the world. And Spike is another creature who “shouldn’t be a part of this,” in that case, because he’s not an “Equestrian creature” himself, either.
TheCEOofSCS
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Storm Cloud Studios
@Heartless Dragon
If “humans shouldn’t be part of this since they are not Equestrian creatures,” then other non-Equestrian creatures, such as the Mane Six’s pets shouldn’t exist, either. Human-like fantasy creatures would fit in, as well, since they’re… you know, fantastical.
Also, humans become “Euestrian creatures” when they’re included.
@TheCEOofSCS
Eh, Humans shouldn’t be part of this since they are not Equestrian creatures, at least from what Im seeing. That actually makes it a better drawing.
Background Pony #94B6
I love this, very very good.