You both make good points. To be clear, I’m talking about the average person, the people who can potentially be swayed and cured of their ignorance. A lot of folks in the U.S. and elsewhere are only so hateful because of ignorance, because all the media sources speaking to them tell them to hate, hate, hate. And as angry as I am, and as much as I want to see the big influencers who lead this hate charge punished… I don’t want that to lead to vindictive punishing of massive swathes of people for expressing ideas born of ignorance.
But then I try to be kind and I try to be considerate of where people come from, and understand how to communicate with them, and get them to overcome their ignorance.
People like Carlson and Peterson, or the influencers who do things like pretend there’s massive fraud at Somali daycares? Yeah no, fuck them.
@Dewdrops On The Grass
Technically, there’s a point where sufficiently loud hate speech, with a big enough platform, is an actual action harming others. Via stochastic terrorism, if nothing else.
@Dewdrops On The Grass
Life in prison, at minimum, for the likes of Carlson and Peterson. They’ve caused innumerable deaths, pain, and suffering. I have zero sympathy or understanding left for transphobes, and neither should anyone else.
@Background Pony #E1EB
Jokes on them, she had their wallets as soon as they walked in; that trick’s just gonna be throwing down a smoke bomb and when it clears she’s a block away and runnin’ like heck.
@wajrekd215
I don’t know about that. I don’t like the idea of imprisoning people purely for hate speech. If they commit actual actions that harm others, sure, but just hate speech? I’d say leave that up to other laws to deal with. It’d be far more important to educate people and eliminate transphobia by eliminating the reasons people harbor such feelings. A lot of transphobes are simply ignorant and going along with what those who drive and create that ignorance tell them to think.
The ones who would deserve jail time would be the big-time influencers, people like Tucker Carlson or Jordan Peterson or Peter Theil. The people who create organizations and whole movements dedicated to spreading hatred and misinformation.
The average person on the street should not be so harshly punished for a failure to understand.
@name427
Indeed. And, just as a note of honesty, for the record: I didn’t report a single comment. I was willing to engage them in some discussion if they had any interest in a good faith discussion. I don’t really believe that they did, but it was worth a try.
Because the real point of the picture is that we deserve our rights, and that’s not where any kind of debate lies. Rather, the discussion is in helping to alleviate the ignorance of people who think trans people are somehow harmful to society, when in fact, we will always exist because of the very nature of life itself.
this is a fascinating empirical study of how many layers of conceptual indirection a background pony must hide behind before their transphobia ceases to be a rule 0 violation
@Background Pony #C90A
Stifle it, Mrs. Lovejoy. Your moral panic doesn’t outrank the actual parents and medical professionals who have way more skin in this game than you do.
@Background Pony #C90A
Who said anything about doxxing? You seem to be under the misconception that I want to harm you in some fashion. I don’t. I’m simply pointing out that you fail to understand what the actual point of the image is, and I pointed out that you’re staying anonymous because people often choose to do that when they feel afraid of letting people who they are.
And I’m the one not acting under anonymity, even though I’m ostensibly the one in this conversation with far more to lose, since I belong to the marginalized group you wish to condemn.
So, are you going to provide anything to back up what you have to say, or are you going to continue acting in bad faith and put words into everyone’s mouths?
@Background Pony #C90A
Are you confused about which “trans people don’t owe you a debate about their right to exist” image you’re yelling at? Because your comment doesn’t seem to have anything to do with this one, or any of the other comments on it.
@Background Pony #397C
That’s not a charitable way of interpreting or understanding this image at all. The point is that debating someone’s right to exist isn’t something that should have to be done, period. Trans people exist. We are demonstrably real, and scientifically verified to boot. Between chromosomal research, neurological research, and a whole heap of other evidence, we can demonstrate that not only have we existed for essentially the entire time humanity has even been a thing, we will continue to exist. We just want to be ourselves, live our lives, and be treated with respect.
And yeah, we’re going to get mad when people debate our right to exist. It’s not about wanting to hurt others if we don’t get our way. It’s about pointing out that we shouldn’t have to fight for our right to exist in the first place, nor will we back down if people force us to fight.
@wajrekd215
Technically, there’s a point where sufficiently loud hate speech, with a big enough platform, is an actual action harming others. Via stochastic terrorism, if nothing else.
Edited
Life in prison, at minimum, for the likes of Carlson and Peterson. They’ve caused innumerable deaths, pain, and suffering. I have zero sympathy or understanding left for transphobes, and neither should anyone else.
Jokes on them, she had their wallets as soon as they walked in; that trick’s just gonna be throwing down a smoke bomb and when it clears she’s a block away and runnin’ like heck.
I don’t know about that. I don’t like the idea of imprisoning people purely for hate speech. If they commit actual actions that harm others, sure, but just hate speech? I’d say leave that up to other laws to deal with. It’d be far more important to educate people and eliminate transphobia by eliminating the reasons people harbor such feelings. A lot of transphobes are simply ignorant and going along with what those who drive and create that ignorance tell them to think.
Indeed. And, just as a note of honesty, for the record: I didn’t report a single comment. I was willing to engage them in some discussion if they had any interest in a good faith discussion. I don’t really believe that they did, but it was worth a try.
Stifle it, Mrs. Lovejoy. Your moral panic doesn’t outrank the actual parents and medical professionals who have way more skin in this game than you do.
Who said anything about doxxing? You seem to be under the misconception that I want to harm you in some fashion. I don’t. I’m simply pointing out that you fail to understand what the actual point of the image is, and I pointed out that you’re staying anonymous because people often choose to do that when they feel afraid of letting people who they are.
Are you confused about which “trans people don’t owe you a debate about their right to exist” image you’re yelling at? Because your comment doesn’t seem to have anything to do with this one, or any of the other comments on it.
Citation needed. Please cite something that shows that’s what this is responding to.
That’s not a charitable way of interpreting or understanding this image at all. The point is that debating someone’s right to exist isn’t something that should have to be done, period. Trans people exist. We are demonstrably real, and scientifically verified to boot. Between chromosomal research, neurological research, and a whole heap of other evidence, we can demonstrate that not only have we existed for essentially the entire time humanity has even been a thing, we will continue to exist. We just want to be ourselves, live our lives, and be treated with respect.
The Great And Powerful Trixie is unimpressed with your skill level.
Get help.
Only if you aren’t a trickster type of fighter:
https://youtu.be/A_GqycKEqjg?si=5eQwBseyfFPq4jYM
Well she has been shown disappearing in a flash of smoke before.