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I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as GNU+Linux is, in fact, systemd/GNU+Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, systemd plus GNU+Linux.
@Chopsticks
I sympathize about those consarned forced Windows updates. I ended up deleting Windows Update in 2018 for similar reasons! Grab a USB drive, use Ventoy to install a bunch of linux ISOs, and give it a whirl to feel which one might work best for you.
Meaning I agreed with you, especially everything in the:
And important side note, before you install linux on your Main System
On windows, data is not only stored in your visible directory.
Steam stores images in the steam install directory unless set-up otherwise.
Some applications store data in %appdata%-
etc etc.
I can be a pain to lose data that you did not know the save-location of.
So keep the original windows drive around, and install linux on a separate drive, so you can still pull data
over if you forgot something-
Just do not try to use you windows drive / ntfs partiton as a work-drive / partition. Consider it read only.
ntfs can be a funky file system
As this advice is critical if Chopsticks goes back to Windows or use it for gaming as opposed to using Steam on Linux, but can be better explained in a way I’m too tired to go on about.
And then
I did not mention dual boot even.
Which is why I mentioned it, it’s a bit more of a hassle to setup than a dual drive system but it costs nothing than just the existing storage on their already existing drive.
I’m recommending Chopsticks use Linux for gaming and other tasks while Windows for strictly productivity. Either argument is flawed but I’m presenting what I’m comfortable with.
That’s why I said secondary device, that is a slow way to learn as you do not disturb your main workstation-
I also said :
if you got access to an secondary device
Implying it as a spare device. And acknowledging that not everyone has access to that.
I did not mention dual boot even.
I was taking about the data of a drive and how windows does not make it easy to find all files.
And like it or not, sometimes keeping the old storage device is not a bad idea.
Even generally. Even when you technically know where all your important files are, you are very much human, you can for get a file here and there.
I did, that’s why I state that.
I mean no offense to Chopsticks when I say that I don’t think they’re super fluent in Linuxese.
We’re not sure if his laptop can do virtualization and even if it can, it’s as you said, the inputs for a drawing tablet would be slowed.
Let Chopsticks learn at their own pace for now, besides, I don’t view dual booting as a sign of defeat, it’s the conclusion I came down to when I made my system.
Also if we’re doing dual drives, they have to check if their laptop has room for another storage, and if they have the money for that.
It’s more than one thinks.
But enthusiasts are also very vocal about it- Why you look at me?
But don’t trust statistical numbers about “Linux Usage” you find on the web-
As, by the very nature of the system, you can not accurately count it.
(s are not forced to report usage, offline usage is not counted, should I be counted twice for using in on my main system and my laptop?, etc etc)
But I don’t possess the energy/drive to learn Linux, and my art program isn’t compatible with it.
Generally, if you got access to an secondary device (old computer 64bit or laptop 64bit) you can still install a distro on there and see how far you can drive it.
You will not learn the thing in a day, but over time you will pick up on how it works, and how you can work with it.
That’s what I’ve been doing, and that’s why I felt comfortable leaving windows 10 behind-
I know what corners I’d cut off and what I’d need to adjust my attitude to.
Similar thing with the art-program.
You can see if you can get it to work reliably through wine, or as an emergency case, through an offline Virtual Machine-
A VC is slow, but it at least allows you to still export your old works.
There is no 100% transition-
You’ll have to choose to cut ties or get your tie chipped.
And important side note, before you install linux on your Main System
On windows, data is not only stored in your visible directory.
Steam stores images in the steam install directory unless set-up otherwise.
Some applications store data in %appdata%-
etc etc.
I can be a pain to lose data that you did not know the save-location of.
So keep the original windows drive around, and install linux on a separate drive, so you can still pull data over if you forgot something-
Just do not try to use you windows drive / ntfs partiton as a work-drive / partition. Consider it read only. ntfs can be a funky file system
Was that recent cuz I coulda sworn Windows 10’s “Creator” thing was 10 years ago.
Well regardless, I’m sure your stuff is as updated as Windows 10 can be, and by my experience, you don’t need to worry much about Windows 10 becoming a Virus Haven like Windows 7, not yet at least.
But fixing this is easy, just costs a little money for flash drives and some time, but that’s about it, then you’re set to try dual booting with a clean system, which is when it’s best to anyways.
The end result is that you can have Windows strictly for your art and music listening to keep you in the zone, and general web browsing if you wanna take 5 to check what’s up at Bluesky or Twitter.
Then having a Linux distro like Linux Mint which would be ed probably forever so you don’t gotta worry about version hopping like you do with Windows, so you can have your games and stuffs on it.
Choosing which OS to boot into is pretty neat too, just restart your computer, then you’ll be presented with Linux Mint or Windows 10, and just choose which one you’re in the mood for.
The Windows 10 Creators forced update cost me $250 usd, the loss of hundreds of files, a month of inaccessible usage of my laptop, a friend to spent 10 hours rebuilding said laptop (hardware), months of reorganizing my folders and ing 3rd party patches (that worked less and less with each update), and I nearly lost everything I needed to do a brony convention presentation 5 mins before it started. I came very close to using Linux.
Before that, best OS I ever used was Windows 10, and I trusted the updates. Just enough control without accidentally messing stuff up. No BSOD. No viruses. No malware. No Defender needed.
Creators is what installed the string of forced updates and it panicking I didn’t have the latest, live scanning Windows Security running is what destroyed everything. Windows Update is the worst “virus” I ever delt with.
I use Windows myself. It’s fine. I’ve also tried Mint. It’s fine too, I guess. I’m more familiar with Microsoft’s operating systems in general and how they work, so it ended up being the one I went with. Honestly I’ve never had a problem with it or running anything on it.
I mean if it works for you and does what you need it to do, what does it matter?
Then do what makes you happy. If you like Windows, you can keep using Windows. I like Linux, but I also rely on Windows for my art stuffs.
@Background Pony #367C
I was under the impression that only 0.0001% of humanity ever used Linux, and that was because the it required titanic levels of deep technical knowledge possessed only by skilled programmers with college degrees and/or unusually enthusiastic individuals of the subject dedicating tremendous amounts of time and energy into it as a hobby.
Well it definitely isn’t as low as 0.0001%. Apparently it’s somewhere around 4.7%, globally. US adoption seems to be a little over 5%, which based on population size means something like 17 million people.
A) An uncharacteristically unusual number of bronies happen to be of the rare Linux population,
B) I was wrong in how many people actually used Linux in general (which makes me feel even dumber), and/or
C) There just happens to be enough of the Linux-brony population in sample size currently existing on Derpibooru to generate this much entertained activity.
I think it’s more that the demographic overlap just works out that way, honestly. For a younger, more computer literate crowd who are less willing to tolerate some of Microsoft’s latest moves and more willing to try something new and who just don’t want to pay the price Microsoft is asking for an OS, it’s the obvious choice. And this fandom has a sizable number of them because it’s not really that old.
@Background Pony #367C
I hate Windows now, I have since the Creators update. But I don’t possess the energy/drive to learn Linux, and my art program isn’t compatible with it. Windows shouldn’t require hours of research into dead-end, unanswered questions on why the #@$% ABC is burning my laptop to death, or why XYZ isn’t working, removed, or lacks accessible control, and every forced update I wonder what’s going to break this time.
I can’t really speak to that myself. The things I want to run all work perfectly and I haven’t had any issues, even with updates. But there are ways to make Windows programs run on Linux, if you’re determined to do so. You’d just need to find instructions or someone who can explain how.
@Background Pony #26A3
also I typed this while sleep deprived so I repeat a lot of things cuz I’m just thinking about doing NixOS again and also trying to recreate my OC but in Tamers12345’s artstyle, where it looks sucky and has a big butt for no reason
@Chopsticks
Hey it’s #7223 and I just wanna tell you that’s the
But I don’t possess the energy/drive to learn Linux, and my art program isn’t compatible with it
Is that I’m in exactly the same boat as you regarding my strong dislike of Windows 11, but needing it for my art, and for my WMR Headset to work so I can hang with my friends when they want me in VRC.
I use Linux for literally everything else, never looked back besides needing Windows for art. And I can help you out if you’ll let me.
And Linux Mint is exactly the kinda distro you’d wanna try if you don’t wanna learn Linux, as it comes with everything you’ll need without you ever having to interact with the terminal, and you can use terminal toys like “cmatrix” or “hollywood” to help you get used to it.
They don’t do anything, just do cool stuff on the terminal screen to make you feel like a hackerman.
So if you ever reach a “last straw,” I can help out.
I mean if it works for you and does what you need it to do, what does it matter?
It’s interesting just as is.
I was under the impression that only 0.0001% of humanity ever used Linux, and that was because the it required titanic levels of deep technical knowledge possessed only by skilled programmers with college degrees and/or unusually enthusiastic individuals of the subject dedicating tremendous amounts of time and energy into it as a hobby.
Like, everybody drives cars, but the group of people who build and heavily modify cars almost from scratch are extremely few. Similarly, there’s Windows and Mac for everybody, but only a uniquely determined group of enthusiasts used Linux. (My perception)
Therefore, I did not expect the image to gain this many Upvotes nor generate this much discussion because I believed a vast majority of bronies would not understand the subject.
Obviously, my expectations have been shattered.
.
So either:
A) An uncharacteristically unusual number of bronies happen to be of the rare Linux population,
B) I was wrong in how many people actually used Linux in general (which makes me feel even dumber), and/or
C) There just happens to be enough of the Linux-brony population in sample size currently existing on Derpibooru to generate this much entertained activity.
.
I hate Windows now, I have since the Creators update. But I don’t possess the energy/drive to learn Linux, and my art program isn’t compatible with it. Windows shouldn’t require hours of research into dead-end, unanswered questions on why the #@$% ABC is burning my laptop to death, or why XYZ isn’t working, removed, or lacks accessible control, and every forced update I wonder what’s going to break this time.
Erm, Aktually, It’s GNU/Linux, 🤓
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as GNU+Linux is, in fact, systemd/GNU+Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, systemd plus GNU+Linux.
I sympathize about those consarned forced Windows updates. I ended up deleting Windows Update in 2018 for similar reasons! Grab a USB drive, use Ventoy to install a bunch of linux ISOs, and give it a whirl to feel which one might work best for you.
I’m recommending Chopsticks use Linux for gaming and other tasks while Windows for strictly productivity. Either argument is flawed but I’m presenting what I’m comfortable with.
I was taking about the data of a drive and how windows does not make it easy to find all files.
Even generally. Even when you technically know where all your important files are, you are very much human, you can for get a file here and there.
I did, that’s why I state that.
otherwise sound advice tho
Whoa there, slow down
your current filter.I mean no offense to Chopsticks when I say that I don’t think they’re super fluent in Linuxese.
We’re not sure if his laptop can do virtualization and even if it can, it’s as you said, the inputs for a drawing tablet would be slowed.
But enthusiasts are also very vocal about it-
Why you look at me?
As, by the very nature of the system, you can not accurately count it.
(s are not forced to report usage, offline usage is not counted, should I be counted twice for using in on my main system and my laptop?, etc etc)
You will not learn the thing in a day, but over time you will pick up on how it works, and how you can work with it.
I know what corners I’d cut off and what I’d need to adjust my attitude to.
You can see if you can get it to work reliably through
wine, or as an emergency case, through an offline Virtual Machine-A VC is slow, but it at least allows you to still export your old works.
You’ll have to choose to cut ties or get your tie chipped.
On windows, data is not only stored in your visible directory.
Steam stores images in the steam install directory unless set-up otherwise.
Some applications store data in %appdata%-
etc etc.
I can be a pain to lose data that you did not know the save-location of.
So keep the original windows drive around, and install linux on a separate drive, so you can still pull data over if you forgot something-
Just do not try to use you windows drive / ntfs partiton as a work-drive / partition. Consider it read only.
ntfs can be a funky file system
Well regardless, I’m sure your stuff is as updated as Windows 10 can be, and by my experience, you don’t need to worry much about Windows 10 becoming a Virus Haven like Windows 7, not yet at least.
your current filter.That’s so tempting, thanks.
@Chopsticks
Would be my uneducated guess anyway.
@Chopsticks
also I typed this while sleep deprived so I repeat a lot of things cuz I’m just thinking about doing NixOS again and also trying to recreate my OC but in Tamers12345’s artstyle, where it looks sucky and has a big butt for no reason
Hey it’s #7223 and I just wanna tell you that’s the
your current filter.They don’t do anything, just do cool stuff on the terminal screen to make you feel like a hackerman.