@GLARGH
Only in cases of OCD, which is not really what is intended by the ‘Lawful’ alignment factor. The order favored by Lawful individuals is law, tradition, and personal codes of conduct. Twilight does not devalue law, but considers the freedom of her and her friends before law, and will not hesitate to break it like a Lawful character would. While she will try to stick to tradition, she is not above cheating if she thinks she can get away with it. As for personal codes of conduct, Twilight definitely has a set of rules she lives by, but she approaches them with varying levels of strictness, and will abandon them if they become inconvenient.
@GLARGH
Yes, but Twilight’s preference of order is more along the lines of practicality than any form of actual law. Twilight has never displayed a strict tendency to obeying any form of law or tradition. When Fluttershy kidnaps Philomena, Twilight’s first plan is to return Philomena before anypony knows she’s missing. When she realizes the guards know Philomena is gone, she stops Fluttershy from returning the bird. The lawful good character would have valued honor first and accepted punishment where it was due, but Twilight clearly placed hers and Fluttershy’s personal freedoms first.
Twilight most certainly doesn’t oppose law, but neither does she strictly abide by it either. Lawful Good is more of the ‘honorable’ character than the ‘practical’ sort (such as Applejack).
@Background Pony #2DAF
I’ll it that there are many variations, but the most obvious thing to note is that Twilight has a strong preference for order. Occasionally breaking a few rules does not change her general attitude.
@GLARGH
Even a Chaotic Good character may value their freedom over the good of others. The alignments are funny in that there is a lot of wiggle room within them. Similarly, Chaotic Good characters are not always out to rebel or do what they want - that’s Chaotic Neutral.
Celestia isn’t just an authority for Twilight, she’s a friend, possibly even a mother figure. A Chaotic Good character is not always rebellious or anti-law, and some chaotic good characters even think law and order are good. The hallmark of the Chaotic Good character is not a disrespect for law, but following one’s own moral com.
@Background Pony #2DAF
No it isn’t. A Chaotic Good character will also usually prioritize Good over Chaos, being able to take orders or partake in an organized group effort if it really needs to be done.
The part about respect for authority is in how she repeatedly treats Celestia. Suggesting that Twilight isn’t Lawful Good is misunderstanding the concept.
@GLARGH
Saying a Lawful Good character will always prioritize good over law is like saying a Chaotic Good character will always prioritize their personal freedoms over the good of others. While that is certainly something within the potential realm of a Lawful Good character, it is often not something they’ll do lightly. Twilight Sparkle follows the rules, but is not against ignoring them when they become inconvenient.
Twilight did not show a respect (or disrespect) for Authority in her test in the crystal empire; she simply does not like to fail. Twilight is ambitious and driven to succeed, and does not like to disappoint her mentor. These are traits that could easily be found in a Neutral Good character, and even a Chaotic Good character does not always shun law and order, they just value good more.
@Background Pony #2DAF
I don’t think any character who is truly Good is entirely unwilling to break the rules, even if they’re Lawful. Lawful people just strongly prefer to do things in an orderly fashion and abide by a good set of rules, because that’s what they believe generally serves the greater good.
Twilight believes in order, rules, and organization, and holds authority in very high regard. The whole thing with the test about the Crystal Empire showed that Twilight generally tries to follow the rules set for her, until the greater good demands her priority.
Someone who is Lawful Good is primarily Good. Someone who is never willing to go against any rule, authority, or law, no matter what may be at stake, is Lawful Neutral at best.
I feel a need to point out that Twilight is willing to break rules when she thinks it’s reasonable. Consider ‘It’s about Time’ when Twilight “breaks into” a library in order to learn a magic spell to travel back in time to stop a disaster. Then in Lesson Zero she was so afraid of getting in trouble she willingly brainwashed three innocent fillies into loving a doll so she could fix her own problems. Then of course there was the Changeling incident, when Twilight became very disruptive because she knew something was amiss.
It’s difficult to say what alignment Twilight is, to say the least. She does follow certain rules and codes, but she won’t hesitate to break them under the right conditions, so she is Neutral Good at best.
The question then becomes this; are Chaotic Good characters always rebellious and undisciplined? Or is that simply the most extreme version of Lawful Good?
@Lawful Girly
You really don’t know enough about sun elves to understand the gentle side of chaos. Plans are not, by definition, law. Every alignment can use plans and methods to some extend.
@irishtiger
Rules are stated differently in different books.
Alignments are generalities that are intended to be interpreted in a variety of ways.
Sometimes extreme examples are necessary to show why some interpretations are just stupid. It’s also stupid to assume that Lawful Neutral would be more flexible for allowing Personal Codes to serve as Law than Lawful Good is. That makes no sense, and any source that says so isn’t very well written.
Ontopic, it’s pretty obvious that Twilight strongly favors rules and laws, and values her authority figures greatly. She is more than willing to obey in most scenarios, and desires to follow her instructions as closely as she can manage.
@Thanotos Omega
I’m not interpreting anything, you all are; I’m just repeating rules from a book. In any case, I’m very bored with this conversation, so you win.
@GLARGH
That’s a very extreme example, and everything is up for interpretation, I suppose. I’m not doing any interpretation, just repeating rules out of a book.
By your over literal interpretation, A guy who lives in a kingdom that forbids slavery and punishes it with death wouldn’t help slaves from a neighboring kingdom because his entire fucking code changed when he crossed the border,
A monk is also lawful good, they don’t have to respect any law besides that of their order and the same is true of all lawful characters they maybe more inclined to follow other’s laws but their own code can serve as the only law they hold as being important,
Only in cases of OCD, which is not really what is intended by the ‘Lawful’ alignment factor. The order favored by Lawful individuals is law, tradition, and personal codes of conduct. Twilight does not devalue law, but considers the freedom of her and her friends before law, and will not hesitate to break it like a Lawful character would. While she will try to stick to tradition, she is not above cheating if she thinks she can get away with it. As for personal codes of conduct, Twilight definitely has a set of rules she lives by, but she approaches them with varying levels of strictness, and will abandon them if they become inconvenient.
She’s gone far past the point of practicality on many occasions.
Yes, but Twilight’s preference of order is more along the lines of practicality than any form of actual law. Twilight has never displayed a strict tendency to obeying any form of law or tradition. When Fluttershy kidnaps Philomena, Twilight’s first plan is to return Philomena before anypony knows she’s missing. When she realizes the guards know Philomena is gone, she stops Fluttershy from returning the bird. The lawful good character would have valued honor first and accepted punishment where it was due, but Twilight clearly placed hers and Fluttershy’s personal freedoms first.
Twilight most certainly doesn’t oppose law, but neither does she strictly abide by it either. Lawful Good is more of the ‘honorable’ character than the ‘practical’ sort (such as Applejack).
I’ll it that there are many variations, but the most obvious thing to note is that Twilight has a strong preference for order. Occasionally breaking a few rules does not change her general attitude.
Even a Chaotic Good character may value their freedom over the good of others. The alignments are funny in that there is a lot of wiggle room within them. Similarly, Chaotic Good characters are not always out to rebel or do what they want - that’s Chaotic Neutral.
Celestia isn’t just an authority for Twilight, she’s a friend, possibly even a mother figure. A Chaotic Good character is not always rebellious or anti-law, and some chaotic good characters even think law and order are good. The hallmark of the Chaotic Good character is not a disrespect for law, but following one’s own moral com.
No it isn’t. A Chaotic Good character will also usually prioritize Good over Chaos, being able to take orders or partake in an organized group effort if it really needs to be done.
The part about respect for authority is in how she repeatedly treats Celestia. Suggesting that Twilight isn’t Lawful Good is misunderstanding the concept.
Saying a Lawful Good character will always prioritize good over law is like saying a Chaotic Good character will always prioritize their personal freedoms over the good of others. While that is certainly something within the potential realm of a Lawful Good character, it is often not something they’ll do lightly. Twilight Sparkle follows the rules, but is not against ignoring them when they become inconvenient.
Twilight did not show a respect (or disrespect) for Authority in her test in the crystal empire; she simply does not like to fail. Twilight is ambitious and driven to succeed, and does not like to disappoint her mentor. These are traits that could easily be found in a Neutral Good character, and even a Chaotic Good character does not always shun law and order, they just value good more.
I don’t think any character who is truly Good is entirely unwilling to break the rules, even if they’re Lawful. Lawful people just strongly prefer to do things in an orderly fashion and abide by a good set of rules, because that’s what they believe generally serves the greater good.
Twilight believes in order, rules, and organization, and holds authority in very high regard. The whole thing with the test about the Crystal Empire showed that Twilight generally tries to follow the rules set for her, until the greater good demands her priority.
Someone who is Lawful Good is primarily Good. Someone who is never willing to go against any rule, authority, or law, no matter what may be at stake, is Lawful Neutral at best.
It’s difficult to say what alignment Twilight is, to say the least. She does follow certain rules and codes, but she won’t hesitate to break them under the right conditions, so she is Neutral Good at best.
The question then becomes this; are Chaotic Good characters always rebellious and undisciplined? Or is that simply the most extreme version of Lawful Good?
You really don’t know enough about sun elves to understand the gentle side of chaos. Plans are not, by definition, law. Every alignment can use plans and methods to some extend.
That’s my Twi.
By the book. Just the way Twilight would want it.
Precisely. Lawful in a nutshell.
And when you don’t stick to the plan, she can get a little… testy.
And she can’t function without a plan (parasprites, anyone?). When she has no time to prepare one, she usually defers to someone else.
Please, she’s uber lawful. “Twilight has a rulebook for everything” and all that.
Absolutely agreed. There is no way she is chaotic. At most, neutral good, most likely lawful.
Rules are stated differently in different books.
Alignments are generalities that are intended to be interpreted in a variety of ways.
Sometimes extreme examples are necessary to show why some interpretations are just stupid. It’s also stupid to assume that Lawful Neutral would be more flexible for allowing Personal Codes to serve as Law than Lawful Good is. That makes no sense, and any source that says so isn’t very well written.
Ontopic, it’s pretty obvious that Twilight strongly favors rules and laws, and values her authority figures greatly. She is more than willing to obey in most scenarios, and desires to follow her instructions as closely as she can manage.
Twilight is Lawful.
Alignments are tricky.
I’m not interpreting anything, you all are; I’m just repeating rules from a book. In any case, I’m very bored with this conversation, so you win.
That’s a very extreme example, and everything is up for interpretation, I suppose. I’m not doing any interpretation, just repeating rules out of a book.
And i am also working from the rules,
The aliments are all general philosophies,
By your over literal interpretation, A guy who lives in a kingdom that forbids slavery and punishes it with death wouldn’t help slaves from a neighboring kingdom because his entire fucking code changed when he crossed the border,
A monk is also lawful good, they don’t have to respect any law besides that of their order and the same is true of all lawful characters they maybe more inclined to follow other’s laws but their own code can serve as the only law they hold as being important,