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Background Pony #C21E
@The Smiling Pony
Logical extreme, false equivocation, oh and you’ve got to love the assumption of intent, very helpful to reach a common understanding.
I’m sure if you define a victim as a person that is aggrieved, then you would be right by definition. Then why isn’t the message: “It’s never okay to ‘victimize’ someone using their phobias and triggers for a prank”? So, no, I don’t agree that all pranks have a victim. Most pranks between friends don’t victimize the recipient (a necessity for repeat interaction).
I don’t think it’s especially difficult to see how the skyscraper example is a logical extreme, but I’ll show my work. When jumping off a skyscraper, who the jumper is is mostly irrelevant. Not true with the receiving end of a prank. We know with astronomical certainty what will happen to the person jumping off. Not true with the receiving end of a prank. We know that there is no chance of long-term benefit to jumping off the skyscraper. Not true with the receiving end of a prank.
Is it starting to become clear why ‘never’ in that message seems pretty reductive?
Background Pony #0788
well what if that person was bungie jumping?
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@Background Pony #C21E
I think most people would understand that the implication of “prank” in the image is that the “victim” of the “prank” didn’t agree to it.
You may as well complain about an image that says “It’s never OK to push someone off a skyscraper” and argue “well what if that person was bungie jumping?”
It’s a niche case that’s outside the scope of the intended message and everyone involved would understand that. Your complaint comes off as either highly hypothetical for the sake of argumentation, or based on some unique personal experience you’re trying to justify.
Background Pony #C21E
@The Smiling Pony
Did you know that someone can find a fault in a message without completely disagreeing?
And no, they didn’t say ‘don’t be a dick’. They said ‘never do this’ and underlined ‘never’.
If a message is going to put that much effort into emphasizing that their message has no exceptions, then where’s the confusion? Why wouldn’t someone point out exceptions?
If someone knew they had a phobia and wanted to no longer have it(shocking, I know,) would it not make sense that they would want to expose themselves to their phobia in a jovial context?
Maybe it is a fringe case where a friend wants to use humor to help someone overcome a weakness, but of course it is. How could it not be fringe when it’s a subset of an already fringe occurrence?
At that point, the question boils down to ‘why do you care enough to disagree?’ I could ask you the same question.
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Not sure why you’re trying to carve out such an edge case for an image that simply distills down to “don’t be a dick”.
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Background Pony #C21E
It’s the ‘never’ part of the statement that losses me. Even assuming our current knowledge on phobia or triggers will never go out of date, there are plenty of people that don’t want their phobia to be a factor.
For example, take someone with a phobia of snakes. If you throw a defanged snake at them at 6AM they’re probably not going to be your friend anymore, but they’ll live. If they were never in any real danger, then it’s not like they lost anything.
What if they say it’s okay?
What if they’re always talking about wanting to get over their irrational fears?
Obviously, if you don’t know the other person well, it’s not okay. Anything could happen.
Obviously, if it’s the kind of guy that goes hysterical all the time, it’s not okay.
But plenty of people aren’t like that. Not only saying never, but underlining it just sounds so sheltered. As if the author thinks there’s something fundamental about the human condition that makes my examples impossible. I’m also not a fan of talking on other people’s behalf, something feminists can’t seem to help themselves with. People with phobias can talk. It’s not like they’re chimpanzees that can’t communicate their injustices. You can’t just say “All [demographic]’s think this way,” and expect people like me to be on board.
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For pranks, no. For cold-blooded revenge, yes
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You’d have to be a psycho to think that would be okay. This is a universal message for all not just a feminist one.
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There’s an episode that even Rainbow Dash did prank Fluttershy too far here. But later, she learned her lessons the hilarious and hard way at the end.
Background Pony #C21E
@Shoto  
Such as?
 
Those shorthands are useful in day to day life, but that one, in particular, is not conducive while we are talking about hypotheticals.
@Background Pony #DAAA  
yeah but there’s a difference between exposure therapy and someone being an asshole
Background Pony #C21E
@Shoto  
The only known treatment for a phobia that produces any sort of net gain is exposure therapy (and the enlightenment effect but that’s a special variant of exposure). Ask any psychologist and they’ll agree with only minor caveats. Also, I would appreciate if you weren’t so presumptuous as to assume intent.  
@Background Pony #6F04  
Also, I wouldn’t advise playing to the strength of an argument to ignore its flaws. To assume I was arguing in favor of an action is grasping at straws.
@Background Pony #6F04  
this guy saw “trigger”, assumed “those darn sjw snowflakes” and turned his brain off.
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@Background Pony #DAAA  
Uh, I don’t think we saw the same picture. Scaring a war veteran with fireworks is a bad idea for a prank. What does it have to do with bliss and workforce?
Background Pony #C21E
Yes, keep us in bliss until we get into the workforce so when the world stops pulling its punches so we can have a meltdown and get fired.
 
OP has the foresight of a god.
@Prometheus labs CEO  
peeves aren’t triggers, people are just using the term wrong. triggers are things that cause anxiety or paranoia due to trauma or a phobia
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@Wiimeiser  
Oh, well it’s the trauma kind of trigger then no, but if it’s the tumblr kind of trigger then BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM… BOOM
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There are two kinds of triggers. I guess peeves and traumas.
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It’s cruel to use someone’s phobias, but triggers are just fine since a trigger is just something that pisses you off and isn’t some psychological problem. Like if someone is annoyed by it being to hot, then turn the thermostat up to 11!
This image lacked a trigger warning trigger warning and I was severely triggered.
 
That’s Rodney’s trigger
what triggers are we talking about? pistols or someting?
 
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No, drum triggers.
 
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what triggers are we talking about? pistols or someting?