“I guess even that seems kind of dickish coming right after an episode where Rainbow Dash basically destroyed a vital piece of the national infrastructure for the sake of a housepet.”
Exactly.
Not really fair when Rainbow Dash doesn’t get punished for practically destroying that weather factory, but the CMC get punished for clearing Trouble Shoes’ name.
@Background Pony #556D
To be fair, they did all think he was a criminal set on ruining all the rodeos in the region; they seemed pretty willing to let him make restitution for the damage he’d caused and move on without a grudge.
I guess even that seems kind of dickish coming right after an episode where Rainbow Dash basically destroyed a vital piece of the national infrastructure for the sake of a housepet.
@PonyPon
More or less, the idea that someone could be that easily influenced by his opinion on something baffles me, assuming that’s what BG #9953 was getting at anyway.
@Jarkes
I think he might be trying to say that Digi has poisoned some people against the show in general to an extent, which I feel is a bit of a stretch.
@Everyone
<sigh> It saddens me to see so many of you being manipulated by Digibrony to hate this episode. Do common sense a favor, put your differences aside and just simply enjoy the episode, period.
@The Frowning Pony
Afraid I have to take Tex’s side on this, TSP. It’s one thing to present an opinion as fact while being aware it isn’t, but it’s an entirely different matter to act like there’s a fandom consensus others should be expected to agree with.
@TexasUberAlles
Tex, zip it. You’re just baiting to start arguments. Everyone all the time presents their opinion as a fact. Everyone, all the time.
You can just say “I disagree with your opinion of those episodes” rather than go into your little tirade and character attack. But you’re not interested in that, you just want to verbally put people down, even when you have no reason to.
Learn to argue like an adult and not like a kid with a big vocabulary.
@Masem
just generalizing this
Except that you’re not “just generalizing this”, you’re taking your own individual personal opinions and facetiously dressing them up in the language of quantifiable fact, then presenting that heavily-gilded lily as if it could be taken as given without examination. You make flat statements like “They are the show’s worst episodes” as if they’re measurable Truth on the order of hydrogen bonds or the Inverse Square Law instead of your opinion. I’m not interested in any alleged “fandom consensus” you care to cherrypick from as narrow a source as necessary to your opinions, because this fandom is artificially lopsided in its bandwagoneering of “consensus”, given how loud a voice echo chambers like whateverchan have and how prone they are to screaming down any opposition to the Party Line. Turns out if you ask the actual Target Audience, Mysterious Mare Do Well is regularly one of the most-watched episodes in the daily repeats according to the Hub/DiscoFamily’s Nielsen ratings, and this begged question of yours for some reason doesn’t seem to extend to nearly as many fans who came to the series from non-chan entry points after Season 2 was finished.
@Mr. Horrible
Yeah, that’s why personally I don’t set high expectations for any episode, unless it is a concept that should be pretty entertaining (For example, the next episode with the Smooze is one that I have set higher hopes for simply because it is combining several high points of the series in a novel manner.)
And in that manner, in response to: @TexasUberAlles
it is that, for me, given the usual standards that the show had met and thus the generally low expectations I had, those two episodes actually underwhelmed those (primarily in the weird characterization department), and that’s a rarity in the show for me. They are the show’s worst episodes, but that’s putting in only in context of this show, where a bad episode is still at least good average children’s animated television. They are far from unwatchable and still have a proper lesson that’s good for children, and there are a few good gags.
(And while I know everyone has their own personal worsts, etc. those two episodes nearly always filter down to the bottom for most, so just generalizing this).
nay… I retract my statement.
For this season it was already better than “Castle sweet Castle”.
I love the character of Clyde. AJ was nice too.
I’m meh about CMC and actually dislike the aesop of this story but that’s not enough to make me dislike the episode.
it was far from bad (nowhere close to Spike at your Service or Mare-Do-Well)
Chastising the nattering nabobs of negativity over kneejerk hatin’ a good episode for specious reasons in the same breath as bitching about the two most bandwagoneered kneejerk-hated good episodes kindasorta undercuts your point even when it is valid.
@Mr. Horrible
I once talked to a guy on /mlp/ who said, and I quote, “an episode can only be goor or bad, there’s no middle point. Wasn’t good? Then it was SHIT. Wasn’t shit? Then it was good.”
He pretty much exemplified the problem you’re referring to. I try very hard to never be that guy.
@Masem
The internet has this weird entitlement issue where anything less that “mind-explodingly amazing” becomes “utter garbage.” There is no middle ground for a lot of annoying people; It’s either the best thing they’ve ever seen or the worst thing anyone has ever made.
Does it make you feel better if the CMC were punished for going off on their own.
“I guess even that seems kind of dickish coming right after an episode where Rainbow Dash basically destroyed a vital piece of the national infrastructure for the sake of a housepet.”
Exactly.
Not really fair when Rainbow Dash doesn’t get punished for practically destroying that weather factory, but the CMC get punished for clearing Trouble Shoes’ name.
To be fair, they did all think he was a criminal set on ruining all the rodeos in the region; they seemed pretty willing to let him make restitution for the damage he’d caused and move on without a grudge.
I guess even that seems kind of dickish coming right after an episode where Rainbow Dash basically destroyed a vital piece of the national infrastructure for the sake of a housepet.
I actually hate this episode because everyone was a DICK to you… Applejack included.
And no @Background Pony #9953, I’m not being influenced by Digibrony. I genuinely hate this episode for my own reasons.
More or less, the idea that someone could be that easily influenced by his opinion on something baffles me, assuming that’s what BG #9953 was getting at anyway.
It’s an outright insult to every party involved.
I think he might be trying to say that Digi has poisoned some people against the show in general to an extent, which I feel is a bit of a stretch.
Digibrony made a review of it or something? I just checked his channel and saw nothing.
Especially considering that Digibrony doesn’t even do pony reviews anymore…
Are you scapegoating a reviewer for negative thoughts on this episode in the fandom?
You know, plenty of us can form our own opinions without listening to the so-called “analysts…” And I say that as someone who did like the episode.
And I didn’t even know Digibrony was even doing this anymore… I thought he stopped doing pony reviews…
<sigh> It saddens me to see so many of you being manipulated by Digibrony to hate this episode. Do common sense a favor, put your differences aside and just simply enjoy the episode, period.
Afraid I have to take Tex’s side on this, TSP. It’s one thing to present an opinion as fact while being aware it isn’t, but it’s an entirely different matter to act like there’s a fandom consensus others should be expected to agree with.
Tex, zip it. You’re just baiting to start arguments. Everyone all the time presents their opinion as a fact. Everyone, all the time.
You can just say “I disagree with your opinion of those episodes” rather than go into your little tirade and character attack. But you’re not interested in that, you just want to verbally put people down, even when you have no reason to.
Learn to argue like an adult and not like a kid with a big vocabulary.
just generalizing this
Except that you’re not “just generalizing this”, you’re taking your own individual personal opinions and facetiously dressing them up in the language of quantifiable fact, then presenting that heavily-gilded lily as if it could be taken as given without examination. You make flat statements like “They are the show’s worst episodes” as if they’re measurable Truth on the order of hydrogen bonds or the Inverse Square Law instead of your opinion. I’m not interested in any alleged “fandom consensus” you care to cherrypick from as narrow a source as necessary to your opinions, because this fandom is artificially lopsided in its bandwagoneering of “consensus”, given how loud a voice echo chambers like whateverchan have and how prone they are to screaming down any opposition to the Party Line. Turns out if you ask the actual Target Audience, Mysterious Mare Do Well is regularly one of the most-watched episodes in the daily repeats according to the Hub/DiscoFamily’s Nielsen ratings, and this begged question of yours for some reason doesn’t seem to extend to nearly as many fans who came to the series from non-chan entry points after Season 2 was finished.
Yeah, that’s why personally I don’t set high expectations for any episode, unless it is a concept that should be pretty entertaining (For example, the next episode with the Smooze is one that I have set higher hopes for simply because it is combining several high points of the series in a novel manner.)
And in that manner, in response to:
@TexasUberAlles
it is that, for me, given the usual standards that the show had met and thus the generally low expectations I had, those two episodes actually underwhelmed those (primarily in the weird characterization department), and that’s a rarity in the show for me. They are the show’s worst episodes, but that’s putting in only in context of this show, where a bad episode is still at least good average children’s animated television. They are far from unwatchable and still have a proper lesson that’s good for children, and there are a few good gags.
(And while I know everyone has their own personal worsts, etc. those two episodes nearly always filter down to the bottom for most, so just generalizing this).
For this season it was already better than “Castle sweet Castle”.
I love the character of Clyde. AJ was nice too.
I’m meh about CMC and actually dislike the aesop of this story but that’s not enough to make me dislike the episode.
Chastising the nattering nabobs of negativity over kneejerk hatin’ a good episode for specious reasons in the same breath as bitching about the two most bandwagoneered kneejerk-hated good episodes kindasorta undercuts your point even when it is valid.
Droste image of flank.
@Masem
I found it to be kinda meh. Not terrible or anything, but kinda bland.
I once talked to a guy on /mlp/ who said, and I quote, “an episode can only be goor or bad, there’s no middle point. Wasn’t good? Then it was SHIT. Wasn’t shit? Then it was good.”
He pretty much exemplified the problem you’re referring to. I try very hard to never be that guy.
The internet has this weird entitlement issue where anything less that “mind-explodingly amazing” becomes “utter garbage.” There is no middle ground for a lot of annoying people; It’s either the best thing they’ve ever seen or the worst thing anyone has ever made.
But how would a cutie mark about cutie marks look like?