@SeraphimDawn
It does look like something from Babylon 5, doesn’t it.
@Hippodrome
NATO seemed pretty convinced, but they’re unlikely to release their actual raw data. It sounds like it would be a decent counterpart to .17WMR in a carbine-length barrel.
@TexasUberAlles
Bringing up the two handguns made it misleading, but I originally meant to slide the subject into comparing the 5.7 and 4.6.
As far as HK’s official public relations disclosed, it was unsatisfactory to them, which is only as telling as much as you’re willing to believe them (no, I’m not implying what that statement made it sound like against the company), but I still would’ve wanted to see the numbers they came up with during their testings – to let the community come up with their own opinions on the results and maybe even obtain some sort of closure in agreement that it probably was rubbish in a short barrel.
@SeraphimDawn
The PMR-30 isn’t exactly common, but it’s still a current-production pistol you can order from any dealer; s I’ve seen suggest it’s actually a pretty nice .22Mag handgun and a lot of fun to shoot. It’s not unprecedented, though, since it’s essentially just an updated version of the Grendel P30. I imagine muzzle blast is pretty epic, since off-the-shelf .22WMR uses slow burn powder designed for rifle-length barrels.
@Hippodrome
I think it’s rather telling that the stated reason for the U/P46’s cancellation was that the cartridge wasn’t terribly effective out of a pistol-length barrel; the 4.6mm was specifically designed for the MP7 PDW, while the 5.7mm was built from the ground up to be used by both the P90 and what eventually became the Five-seveN. There’s also the whole handheld-hand-grenade factor, since HK’s beloved delayed blowback actions get along with high pressure cartridges like water and sodium, and the 4.6mm is preeetty high pressure. Both are reasons why NATO said N-O to the cartridge.
@SeraphimDawn
In any case, it’s discontinued. As much as I can recall at the late-ass time of this reply, I think it was partially based on the Series 80. Short answer: Yes.
Otherwise, another then-run-of-the-mill trend following double action auto piece.
@SeraphimDawn
Not de facto successor. More like inspired interpretation. You want a recent remote successor, search for Vltor’s disgustingly overdue resurrection project.
For the Witness series’ reputation, Google around on shooting forums and other socials – you’re bound to find how most seem to have frame durability issues and mag loading difficulties. I think the Elite models had the least issues.
Can’t find much on the Double Eagle either.
As for the TT pistols, Texas there pretty much laid a part of that out. Personally, I wouldn’t even relate the two; those kinds of comparisons carry too many variables and a more or less completely unrelated background to appropriately make a critical statement, but would make for interesting conversation and opinion exchanging. Now something like the Five-seveN and the dead P46 measured against each other would likely make for more compelling contrasts.
@Lefty643
I understand that the Bren Ten is rare and hard to come by. But its successor, the Tanfoglio, I don’t seem to see a lot of reviews on it. Neither the Double Eagle.
@MARINEav8r
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well he better not cock the gun or then the image would be explicit cause of cocks
IT TOOK OVER A MONTH BUT SOMEONE FINALLY GOT IT
I see what you did there
It does look like something from Babylon 5, doesn’t it.
@Hippodrome
NATO seemed pretty convinced, but they’re unlikely to release their actual raw data. It sounds like it would be a decent counterpart to .17WMR in a carbine-length barrel.
The Grendel P30 certainly looks like something out of a science fiction film.
Bringing up the two handguns made it misleading, but I originally meant to slide the subject into comparing the 5.7 and 4.6.
As far as HK’s official public relations disclosed, it was unsatisfactory to them, which is only as telling as much as you’re willing to believe them (no, I’m not implying what that statement made it sound like against the company), but I still would’ve wanted to see the numbers they came up with during their testings – to let the community come up with their own opinions on the results and maybe even obtain some sort of closure in agreement that it probably was rubbish in a short barrel.
The PMR-30 isn’t exactly common, but it’s still a current-production pistol you can order from any dealer; s I’ve seen suggest it’s actually a pretty nice .22Mag handgun and a lot of fun to shoot. It’s not unprecedented, though, since it’s essentially just an updated version of the Grendel P30. I imagine muzzle blast is pretty epic, since off-the-shelf .22WMR uses slow burn powder designed for rifle-length barrels.
@Hippodrome
I think it’s rather telling that the stated reason for the U/P46’s cancellation was that the cartridge wasn’t terribly effective out of a pistol-length barrel; the 4.6mm was specifically designed for the MP7 PDW, while the 5.7mm was built from the ground up to be used by both the P90 and what eventually became the Five-seveN. There’s also the whole handheld-hand-grenade factor, since HK’s beloved delayed blowback actions get along with high pressure cartridges like water and sodium, and the 4.6mm is preeetty high pressure. Both are reasons why NATO said N-O to the cartridge.
In any case, it’s discontinued. As much as I can recall at the late-ass time of this reply, I think it was partially based on the Series 80. Short answer: Yes.
Otherwise, another then-run-of-the-mill trend following double action auto piece.
I keep hearing that the Double Eagle didn’t sell well. It is essentially the classic m1911 just with a double/single action?
They don’t get it. They just don’t.
X is the answer to all things.
@SeraphimDawn
Not de facto successor. More like inspired interpretation. You want a recent remote successor, search for Vltor’s disgustingly overdue resurrection project.
For the Witness series’ reputation, Google around on shooting forums and other socials – you’re bound to find how most seem to have frame durability issues and mag loading difficulties. I think the Elite models had the least issues.
Can’t find much on the Double Eagle either.
As for the TT pistols, Texas there pretty much laid a part of that out. Personally, I wouldn’t even relate the two; those kinds of comparisons carry too many variables and a more or less completely unrelated background to appropriately make a critical statement, but would make for interesting conversation and opinion exchanging. Now something like the Five-seveN and the dead P46 measured against each other would likely make for more compelling contrasts.
I understand that the Bren Ten is rare and hard to come by. But its successor, the Tanfoglio, I don’t seem to see a lot of reviews on it. Neither the Double Eagle.
I know what the 10mm round is; I was deriding the anon for saying it was terrible.
10mm
Used in guns such as the famous Bren Ten, Colt Double Eagle, Colt Delta Elite, and the Tanfoglio T95.
@TexasUberAlles
Isn’t that thing rare? 30 rounds for a handgun chambered in .22 Mag is unprecedented.
“Terrible taste in chamberings”?! 10MM is the business, son!
poor man’s FN-FiveSeven
The Tok wasn’t purpose-built for the task.
Speaking of FN.
I’ve been hearing that the Soviet Tokarev TT-33 is some sort of a poor man’s FN-FiveSeven.
I say she’d be okay with any piece that has credible number of service years – be it Colt or FN or SIG.
I think it’s fair to say that Applejack would use either a Colt SAA, or the M911 without a doubt.
I’d place it under Twilight or A.J.’s possession.
Conservative, no excess frills.